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Unacceptable Brake Performance of the Toyota Land Cruiser Lexus LX 570
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I certainly don't think you need to delete your posts but it's getting very repetitive. So far eight people have responded representing at least 16 different Cruisers and none of them have the problems you're experiencing. Only one member posted that he's seen this issue with two other vehicles but it doesn't look like there was any resolution. Other data collecting sites do not indicate there's an issue yet you continue to express there is a design fault; the data just does not support this theory.
I'm not sure how different sized wheels would affect braking life to the degree that your describing unless they were insanely heavier than stock or reduced the ability for heat to escape. The wheels you have posted don't look to have either of those issues.
Anyway, excellent work on the supercharger and brake upgrade. Looks great.
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Since the OP has again deleted most of his posts, is there a way of getting this thread back down to a single page?
I used to own a 2002 Lexus LS430 which had a very short brake life. This problem persisted throughout the nine years I owned the car. However, I live in a coastal area where salt gets carried through the air, and I am convinced that a lot of my brake trouble in that car was due to this excessive salt exposure. I do have the impression that my Lexus brakes were more salt-sensitive than those of other vehicles I have owned. A question for the OP would be if his (excessive wear) situation might in part be due to salt exposure?
My 2011 Land Cruiser has about 6000 miles on it and I have had no trouble with its brakes (I shelter it better than I did my Lexus). In an ideal world, the LC would perform like a sports car without compromising any of its other characteristics. However, since this is not possible, I have come to terms with the fact that it is a truck, and I drive it like a truck and not like a sports car. As best I can tell, it performs reasonably considering what it is.
I used to own a 2002 Lexus LS430 which had a very short brake life. This problem persisted throughout the nine years I owned the car. However, I live in a coastal area where salt gets carried through the air, and I am convinced that a lot of my brake trouble in that car was due to this excessive salt exposure. I do have the impression that my Lexus brakes were more salt-sensitive than those of other vehicles I have owned. A question for the OP would be if his (excessive wear) situation might in part be due to salt exposure?
My 2011 Land Cruiser has about 6000 miles on it and I have had no trouble with its brakes (I shelter it better than I did my Lexus). In an ideal world, the LC would perform like a sports car without compromising any of its other characteristics. However, since this is not possible, I have come to terms with the fact that it is a truck, and I drive it like a truck and not like a sports car. As best I can tell, it performs reasonably considering what it is.
excellent point, db01. these are basically big trucks and even though they can really scoot, i think they are best treated as the vehicle type they are. i drive mine like that because i want this considerable investment to last.
Awesome thread!
Go to your user options and change the number of posts per page to 50. Problem solved.
Go to your user options and change the number of posts per page to 50. Problem solved.
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Dude, seriously, shut up. You had your little tantrum, now post things that are helpful or get lost.
You rich people are like chicks.
Atticus: Thanks for the tip re 50 posts/page
Wernerv200: "OP" means "original poster", which is you since you started the thread. Thanks for starting it. Could it be that salt is a contributing factor to your brake issues?
ShottsUZJ100 posted in another thread some braking performance statistics obtained from Consumer Reports, copied below. Interestingly, the Porsche Cayenne stops (from 60 mph) in 134 feet, while the LC200 requires 140 feet. Despite Porsche's heritage and reputation, its SUV 's braking performance is only 4% better than that of the LC. This is not consistent with the theory that the LC has inadequate brakes.
I have owned several high-performance German cars so I certainly know what good brakes are, and I have driven through Germany on its autobahns several times so I understand the conditions for which these superior brakes were developed. Thus it is striking that, according to Consumer Reports, Porsche's SUV's braking performance is no more than 4% better than that of the LC.
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About the brakes say they said the following:
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Where the 2.8 ton Landcruiser performed extremely poorly was in the braking department. 10 braking tests were perfomed beginning with cold brakes and ending with fully warmed up brakes With cold brakes, the Landcruiser needed 44 meters to come to a halt from 100-0 km/h. When the brakes were warmed up the car needed an alarming 56 meters to come to a complete stop. In the past, many cars from Toyota and Lexus have performed poorly in the braking department in various Auto Motor und Sport tests. The Landcruiser joins the Jeep Wrangler & Commander, Mitsubishi L200, Hummer H2 and Cadillac Escalade as the worst braking SUV's tested so far. For comparison purposes, a Mercedes GL420 CDI will come to a full stop at 42 meters with warm brakes - an old G-Class at 43 meters!
In the end the Landcruiser is not recommended because of the extremely weak brakes and poor fuel economy.
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Consumer Reports Tests...60-0 in feet:
Land Cruiser (200)...140
Jeep Wranger...150
Land Rover LR4...129
Mercedes GL420...137
Chevrolet Tahoe...144
Ford Expedition...154
Infinity QX...139
Jeep Grand Cherokee...139
Porsche Cayenne...134
Looks like the Cruiser's numbers are right in there. To not recommend it? Auto Sport Mag must have been smoking dope.
Wernerv200: "OP" means "original poster", which is you since you started the thread. Thanks for starting it. Could it be that salt is a contributing factor to your brake issues?
ShottsUZJ100 posted in another thread some braking performance statistics obtained from Consumer Reports, copied below. Interestingly, the Porsche Cayenne stops (from 60 mph) in 134 feet, while the LC200 requires 140 feet. Despite Porsche's heritage and reputation, its SUV 's braking performance is only 4% better than that of the LC. This is not consistent with the theory that the LC has inadequate brakes.
I have owned several high-performance German cars so I certainly know what good brakes are, and I have driven through Germany on its autobahns several times so I understand the conditions for which these superior brakes were developed. Thus it is striking that, according to Consumer Reports, Porsche's SUV's braking performance is no more than 4% better than that of the LC.
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Where the 2.8 ton Landcruiser performed extremely poorly was in the braking department. 10 braking tests were perfomed beginning with cold brakes and ending with fully warmed up brakes With cold brakes, the Landcruiser needed 44 meters to come to a halt from 100-0 km/h. When the brakes were warmed up the car needed an alarming 56 meters to come to a complete stop. In the past, many cars from Toyota and Lexus have performed poorly in the braking department in various Auto Motor und Sport tests. The Landcruiser joins the Jeep Wrangler & Commander, Mitsubishi L200, Hummer H2 and Cadillac Escalade as the worst braking SUV's tested so far. For comparison purposes, a Mercedes GL420 CDI will come to a full stop at 42 meters with warm brakes - an old G-Class at 43 meters!
In the end the Landcruiser is not recommended because of the extremely weak brakes and poor fuel economy.
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Consumer Reports Tests...60-0 in feet:
Land Cruiser (200)...140
Jeep Wranger...150
Land Rover LR4...129
Mercedes GL420...137
Chevrolet Tahoe...144
Ford Expedition...154
Infinity QX...139
Jeep Grand Cherokee...139
Porsche Cayenne...134
Looks like the Cruiser's numbers are right in there. To not recommend it? Auto Sport Mag must have been smoking dope.
All you have to do is compare the relative weights of the tested vehicles to the relative braking performance of the tested vehicles. You will then observe that the braking on the LC is actually quite good. It is a very heavy vehicle. It will not stop as fast as a Porsche.
My God, this is the most dysfunctional forum I visit! Why would you delete all of your posts? If you had issues, you had issues. Obviously no one agreed that there is a "design fault" but in the event someone comes here six months from now having brake issues they can read your information and make their own decision. Instead, now they're going to make a new thread and you'll have to re post all this again (and we'll have to read it all again).
All this time wasted on this thread is ridiculous. And then to have you delete all your posts is even more so.
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For the sake of completeness you should have stated my entire Posting.
The last sentence was:
Thank you very much to all of you for all the replies, comments and reading here!
I believe especially you know this very well that this sentence should have been quoted as well!
Thank you.
For the sake of completeness you should have stated my entire Posting.
The last sentence was:
Thank you very much to all of you for all the replies, comments and reading here!
I believe especially you know this very well that this sentence should have been quoted as well!
Thank you.
What a crybaby.
wow, such a great awesome post to revive an already retarded thread. glad to know those neon colors will add another 10 hp, yo!
seriously, post some numbers or facts to validate your retarded post.
seriously, post some numbers or facts to validate your retarded post.
Agreed. Can the mods lock this post? It was started by a troll and clearly the moron with his first post about brakes is the same loser.
The stock brakes are more than adequate even for the North American rigs with the 5.7 L and when towing. You'll overcome the moderate handling and/or driver skill before you overcome the brakes. It isn't an X5.
If you want to add the 505bhp Toyota Supercharger then Toyota themselves offer a big brake kit but, needing 20s, your off road ability largely disappears.
Mods should delete this whole thread and ban the trolls with more time than sense.