stock. mixed city and highway. all weather conditions. i even tow from time to time 2500-5500 lbs. and as my wife will readily criticize, i like to drive fast.
Unacceptable Brake Performance of the Toyota Land Cruiser Lexus LX 570
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First off, could we keep the brake posts in the brake thread and not cross-post in every recent thread about your brake problems?
I checked the two leading consumer advocacy sites (Consumer Reports and Consumer Guide) as well as the NHSTA site where NA customers go to file complains regarding all things automotive. Not a single complaint regarding brakes in either the LC200 or LX570. A Google search turned up nothing either (excluding this thread and your thread on a Lexus forum). You state you're not the only one having issues. So far, of the couple/few hundred 200-series owners here, only one has stated they had customers claim they've had similar issues. If this was a genuine design flaw, where are the other owners here with similar issues? Why after nearly four years of production has this issue not been brought up before?
I'm not disputing you've had issues with the brakes on your vehicle but your situation does not appear to be the norm. There are many members here who haven't had any similar issues of the short brake life. So far, I've got 20k on my MY09 and the brakes are not even at 50% wear since my most recent service.
I suspect your vehicle(s) are genuinely defective or the quick pad wear is a result of driving habits. You stated earlier than your X6 only achieved only 9400 miles before brakes need to be replaced. That too is unreasonably low mileage for brakes leading me to believe driving habits may be more at fault than the vehicle themselves.
I checked the two leading consumer advocacy sites (Consumer Reports and Consumer Guide) as well as the NHSTA site where NA customers go to file complains regarding all things automotive. Not a single complaint regarding brakes in either the LC200 or LX570. A Google search turned up nothing either (excluding this thread and your thread on a Lexus forum). You state you're not the only one having issues. So far, of the couple/few hundred 200-series owners here, only one has stated they had customers claim they've had similar issues. If this was a genuine design flaw, where are the other owners here with similar issues? Why after nearly four years of production has this issue not been brought up before?
I'm not disputing you've had issues with the brakes on your vehicle but your situation does not appear to be the norm. There are many members here who haven't had any similar issues of the short brake life. So far, I've got 20k on my MY09 and the brakes are not even at 50% wear since my most recent service.
I suspect your vehicle(s) are genuinely defective or the quick pad wear is a result of driving habits. You stated earlier than your X6 only achieved only 9400 miles before brakes need to be replaced. That too is unreasonably low mileage for brakes leading me to believe driving habits may be more at fault than the vehicle themselves.
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no one else on this forum seems to be having the problem you are, so we have nothing to offer.
continuing to complain about your issue will obviously not help, so please take what advice has or has not been offered and move on to different topics.
continuing to complain about your issue will obviously not help, so please take what advice has or has not been offered and move on to different topics.
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Wait -- so you are saying that you have to replace your brake pads every 3600 miles??? With a 10,000 mile oil change, you have to replace your brakes THREE times every oil change???
That makes no sense! Unless you were doing power braking (stupid with a full-time 4WD vehicle), there is no way in hell to go through pads that quickly.
I just had my brakes pads replaced at 35,000 miles, and that's with all the additional weight. That's low for a Toyota vehicle. Without the additional weight (and I am a heavy braker), I'd expect 45-50k.
I'm completely lost as to your situation...
That makes no sense! Unless you were doing power braking (stupid with a full-time 4WD vehicle), there is no way in hell to go through pads that quickly.
I just had my brakes pads replaced at 35,000 miles, and that's with all the additional weight. That's low for a Toyota vehicle. Without the additional weight (and I am a heavy braker), I'd expect 45-50k.
I'm completely lost as to your situation...
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If every 3600 miles I was replacing pads and machining rotors -- after the first two times I would have returned the vehicle and keys. F* that. Something else is wrong and if your dealership cannot figure it out, go somewhere else. That's beyond ridiculous...lol
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What you're describing is a defect that appears to have affected only a small number of vehicles, not an under-design fault. Obviously if the car has a faulty brake controller and the brakes are engaged at all times the pads will not last. I think claiming the vehicle is under-designed is a stretch or we would be hearing from a lot more owners a lot sooner; there is simply not enough data to claim there is a design fault with the braking system. Defect in certain vehicles? Probably. Under-designed? Not likely.
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Just changed my pads at 55,000 kms (34,000 miles). Rear pads nearly gone but front at least 10,000 kms left in them. I tow a 3,000 kg boat regularly. My reading from another cruiser site down my way suggests this is about average life expectancy. Something is definitely unusual in/with your stated experience Werner.
My brakes do not have any difficulty stopping my rig and in fact I have been impressed with their grunt although I would not argue they are better that some of the other makes you mention. I do wonder however at the usefulness of the comparison tests you cite: were the vehicle masses equal? and how well would the porsche do with a 3 metric ton mass pushing up its date? i.e: I'm pretty sure my wife's Peugoet 308 could stop in maybe 2/3rds of the distance of my cruiser but then its less than half the weight. Equally the Porsche and the Merc that review cites are hardly in the same class as a body-on-frame truck like a cruiser.
just my 2 cents worth
My brakes do not have any difficulty stopping my rig and in fact I have been impressed with their grunt although I would not argue they are better that some of the other makes you mention. I do wonder however at the usefulness of the comparison tests you cite: were the vehicle masses equal? and how well would the porsche do with a 3 metric ton mass pushing up its date? i.e: I'm pretty sure my wife's Peugoet 308 could stop in maybe 2/3rds of the distance of my cruiser but then its less than half the weight. Equally the Porsche and the Merc that review cites are hardly in the same class as a body-on-frame truck like a cruiser.
just my 2 cents worth
NO issues here at 17,000 miles and not too much wear. About 1,500 miles of that was towing c.6,000lbs.
For those of us that take these trucks off road, 18" is the biggest wheel that you can run without messing up performance. Some size down to 17s which is even better when dealing with particularly rocky terrain or deep sand - bigger discs and calipers would not allow these wheels to be run.
The braking from the stock c.13.3" discs is perfectly adequate. I'm highly aware of what good braking is having owned several performance cars over the years with c.15" discs. My conclusion is that these brakes are acceptable in stopping this 2 1/2 ton truck when equipped with all engines including the 381 bhp 5.7.
Now, since you are adding the 500 bhp supercharger (and I WOULD HOPE changing the suspension for a road-biased setup) I can understand the need for 20s and the commensurate brakes. However, for the way 99% of people use this vehicle (daily, off roading, towing) the stock brakes are just fine.
One last thing, all these posts since Pagefailer left really have me wondering. He's was just weeded out the other week posting under a new name with the same old lies and inaccuracies. No accusations right now, just thinking out loud.
For those of us that take these trucks off road, 18" is the biggest wheel that you can run without messing up performance. Some size down to 17s which is even better when dealing with particularly rocky terrain or deep sand - bigger discs and calipers would not allow these wheels to be run.
The braking from the stock c.13.3" discs is perfectly adequate. I'm highly aware of what good braking is having owned several performance cars over the years with c.15" discs. My conclusion is that these brakes are acceptable in stopping this 2 1/2 ton truck when equipped with all engines including the 381 bhp 5.7.
Now, since you are adding the 500 bhp supercharger (and I WOULD HOPE changing the suspension for a road-biased setup) I can understand the need for 20s and the commensurate brakes. However, for the way 99% of people use this vehicle (daily, off roading, towing) the stock brakes are just fine.
One last thing, all these posts since Pagefailer left really have me wondering. He's was just weeded out the other week posting under a new name with the same old lies and inaccuracies. No accusations right now, just thinking out loud.
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We run 9 of the 200 Series in our fleet, I'm onto my second one with 35 000 km, the first one I had now has over 100 000 km on it and has had the brake pads changed and discs machined at 50 000 km. This first vehicle spent the first 16 000km running around with a huge trailer (3000kg+) on it, as well as me driving it hard over back roads and farming areas throughout northern and central QLD without the trailer on it. I must admit, I was a bit surprised that the brakes only lasted 50 000km, but when I factored in the trailer, the fact that I always carry about 200+kg of tools and gear in the vehicle and that I "sometimes" have to bring the vehicle down from (insert big number here) kmh to make a turn/stop while working out west - I think they probably did alright. (I have the same affliction as mark71, and the same criticizing wife too....
The guy that drives that one now hasn't had any issues with the brakes and he's as hard on it as I was, just doesn't tow the trailer.
My new one has 35 000 km on it with no issues, and that is after we found out that I did 6000km with the electric brake controller for the trailer disconnected, so the car was doing all the braking for both. I'll see what happens when I get to 50 000 km on this one, but given the weight and the way I use them, I think the brakes on the 200 are pretty bloody good!!!
I did have one brake related issue on the first 200, right before we did the pad swap & machine. After a series of fast straights and slow, tight 90 turns, I could smell the brakes cooking, so pulled over for a look. I found that when I pulled away again, my right rear caliper felt like it was locked on. I stopped again, backed up a bit and then tried again - this time it freed up and I continued on as normal, but I think this "lock-up" was responsible for blueing one of the discs, which is why we made the decision to replace pads & machine the discs all round. I've never had a repeat of this since on any of the 200's or any of my other vehicles either. I would completely accept that my driving style on that particular day may have been part of the problem, but I though it odd that an ABS car could do this.
The guy that drives that one now hasn't had any issues with the brakes and he's as hard on it as I was, just doesn't tow the trailer.
My new one has 35 000 km on it with no issues, and that is after we found out that I did 6000km with the electric brake controller for the trailer disconnected, so the car was doing all the braking for both. I'll see what happens when I get to 50 000 km on this one, but given the weight and the way I use them, I think the brakes on the 200 are pretty bloody good!!!
I did have one brake related issue on the first 200, right before we did the pad swap & machine. After a series of fast straights and slow, tight 90 turns, I could smell the brakes cooking, so pulled over for a look. I found that when I pulled away again, my right rear caliper felt like it was locked on. I stopped again, backed up a bit and then tried again - this time it freed up and I continued on as normal, but I think this "lock-up" was responsible for blueing one of the discs, which is why we made the decision to replace pads & machine the discs all round. I've never had a repeat of this since on any of the 200's or any of my other vehicles either. I would completely accept that my driving style on that particular day may have been part of the problem, but I though it odd that an ABS car could do this.
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18" Monster XD rims, 285 x 60 Cooper Zeons. 90% on road I'd guess.