Tundra Brake Upgrade Help (5 Viewers)

[TeCKis300]

Brian, any new information on whether the LC200 2016 caliper is compatible with the pre-2016 knuckles?

From the quote below in another thread, it doesn't sound promising. The updated 2016 Tundra calipers do not fit the pre-2016 Tundra knuckles. A critical detail would be the mounting bolt size increase. I'd assume the LC200 2016 caliper bolt size is increased as well. Just ordering a 2016 brake mounting bolt would be telling.

If I were to go down the pre-2016 Tundra caliper path, do you think by ordering a Tundra brake line, that I could retrofit the Tundra caliper to my LX570 without the caliper machining you spoke of?

Ok, just found out that the 2016 Tundra caliper WILL NOT fit pre 2016 Tundra as knuckle is different, mounting bolt size different as well, so it will not fit. Unless replace knuckle as well or possibly machine the mounting hole bigger to fit on pre-2016 Tundra or 200, not sure of the later though. So for sure 2016 Tundra caliper is not a simple bolt on as pre-2016 caliper. For that reason, it will not bolt on pre-2016 200 series cruiser as well.

The 2016 200 has different part number on the knuckle as well compare to pre-2016 cruiser, so it can be the very same case like 2016 Tundra unless proven otherwise. Will update if I find out about the 200 series parts.

 

[bjowett]

I don't have any new info. Perhaps we can get a 2016 owner to measure?

 

[TeCKis300]

While the '16+ mystery get solved, and I have my doubts, I am going forth and pursuing a Tundra retrofit.

It has been pointed out that the Tundra calipers use a flare hardline connector, while the LC200 uses a banjo. Searching around, it's a common adaption on Tacoma's doing a similar upgrade to just throw the banjo on anyways and count on the crush washers to seal. Another option, would be machining the caliper as bjowett has done in the past, to properly allow for a sealing surface.

Staring at pics makes me thing there's a third approach which is just to use a Tundra brake hose from the chassis. Then use the Tundra hardline between the spindle upright and caliper. I don't have the benefit of any measurement, and may just procure a tundra brake line for kicks to see if it's even remotely possible.

 

[TexAZ]

If you have the time, you can get custom stainless steel lines made.
They are pricey, but you only need 2.
I think I was looking at using the tundra hardline from caliper to knuckle, then having custom lines made to go from that line to the frame.
the local place I talked to wanted me to bring in the tundra line and the cruiser line, so that they could use the fittings and just replace the rubber hose with the stainless.

 

[TeCKis300]

Glad you've also been thinking about this. Yes, a custom drip in solution will be best. Until that is available...

The LC uses one flexible line between the chassis and caliper. It picks up where the suspension meets the frame, and has a integral bracket at the upright.

The Tundra uses a two piece line. One flex line where the suspension meets the frame to the upright. And a separate hardline from the upright to the caliper.

I imagine the connectors at the frame are the same. So the flex line should be a direct drop in for ours, since the tundra suspension is drop in. And we should be able to use the tundra hard-line between the upright and caliper.

This is all conjecture on my part without have both vehicles side by side. In the mean time, I've ordered a Tundra flex line in SS.

 

[TeCKis300]

Anyone know the part number to the Tundra hardline that goes to the caliper? Seems like it's not in the graphic of toyota parts breakout diagrams.

 

[TexAZ]

here is a shot of the tundra brake line.

 

[TexAZ]

I believe this diagram has all the part numbers you will need for brackets, hoses, and hardlines. verify the numbers.
if ordering new hardware, call camelback Toyota and ask for parts department. tell them exactly what you need and they can find it for you.
amazing crew there!

 

[bjowett]

The banjo will bottom on the inverted flare in the caliper... It won't be tight enough to crush the washers,... Besides, the surface on the face of the caliper is less than ideal for that purpose.

I have some hard lines I can sell you.

 

[MrCWineMan]

Hey! Figured I'd jump in to help out however I can. I have a 16. I was just in the tire shop swapping rubber (that sounds bad no?) and while having some TPMS issues (long story) we had the wheels off. Being a firious lurker around these forums I had seen the tundra brake swaps mentioned quite a bit. As this is a tundra town I asked the shop to tell me the differences in rotor size between the 16LC and the tundra. According to them there is none. I also saw mention of a photo. Does this help?

 

[jetstream23]

Other than the Tundra upgrade what options have people explored for brakes upgrades on early 200 series vehicles? Yes, I've searched quite a few brake threads and seen mentions of StopTech, PowerStop and a few others. I'm looking for specific feedback on what would work with the 17" RW wheels (other than the Tundra upgrade). Example: Entering a 2009 Land Cruiser on the PowerStop website yields a few results including (Powerstop K4117 Brake Disc and Pad Kit 2-3 business days, 5 x 5.91 in., VENTED; Rear Rotors - JCWhitney) but I'm assuming this is based on the stock 18" LC wheels and not sure if they'll fit with the 17" RW wheels.

 

[TeCKis300]

The banjo will bottom on the inverted flare in the caliper... It won't be tight enough to crush the washers,... Besides, the surface on the face of the caliper is less than ideal for that purpose.

I have some hard lines I can sell you.

True. And the way the tacoma crowd deals with this is to drill the banjo for clearance. Not the way I'd like to do it, though that's what's been done with success in that community.

bjowett, what are your thoughts about sourcing and providing a custom brake line for the community? This is really the missing link for a plug-and-play tundra brake upgrade. Or have you not had enough interest in past for this platform? With the 200-series being out for awhile, I would think these types of upgrades are only now picking up steam and ripe for a business case?

 

[bjowett]

MrC, thank you for the picture. Unfortunately it does not show the caliper mounting ears, and even if it did, we would need some measurements. The best bet here is to physically attempt fit a rotor and caliper from 2016 to an early truck...

The 17" RW wheels were built to fit over the Tundra 14" brakes... nothing larger will squeak in there ATM.

 

[MrCWineMan]

MrC, thank you for the picture. Unfortunately it does not show the caliper mounting ears, and even if it did, we would need some measurements. The best bet here is to physically attempt fit a rotor and caliper from 2016 to an early truck...

The 17" RW wheels were built to fit over the Tundra 14" brakes... nothing larger will squeak in there ATM.

Copy that - I misread. My bad!

 

[TeCKis300]

Things sure seem very similar. I do wonder why Toyota went hardline on the Tundra vs softline/banjo on the LC.

LC200:

Tundra:

 

[bjowett]

No need for an apology! the help is appreciated.

I was not aware the Taco folks were doing this. I also drill the banjo, but do so with a larger bit so that it creates a counter sunk angle to clear the internal flare. There is also a locating pin on the brake line line that prevents it from twisting or loosening, that needs to be drilled into the Tundra caliper, along with machine it smooth so the washers can seal. I was selling all this, but since the 2016 came out, I decided to discontinue it. As for the brake line, only if the 2016 caliper doesn't fit.... We really just need to see if that 2016 unit will bolt up, if it fits, it will be the ticket and anyone can DIY if they so choose.

 

[M1911]

MrC, thank you for the picture. Unfortunately it does not show the caliper mounting ears, and even if it did, we would need some measurements. The best bet here is to physically attempt fit a rotor and caliper from 2016 to an early truck...

Would you like to try this on my 2013? I've got the stock 18" wheels. I'd definitely like to go with hard brake lines. I can take the ride out to western MA.

 

[TeCKis300]

So I've got my order list ready to go except for the hardlines to the caliper. Can't find a part number for these and I can't make it out in this diagram. Some sources seem to suggest having to fabricate them out of standard issue brake lines... Which I'm open to doing if I must, as I have a double flare die and benders. But I rather get the OEM ones to avoid routing/clearance issues.

Anyone have a lead to the hardline part number?

I believe this diagram has all the part numbers you will need for brackets, hoses, and hardlines. verify the numbers.
if ordering new hardware, call camelback Toyota and ask for parts department. tell them exactly what you need and they can find it for you.
amazing crew there! View attachment 1389070

 

[TeCKis300]

Got the tundra soft lines in. They seem like they will work just fine. Though the lower locating bracket looks like it'll need slight modification to retain the brake line. Not really a big deal.

Though I still can't find the part number for the tundra hard line!

 

[TexAZ]

On Monday call Camelback toyota and ask theme. Their parts people are top notch.