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Tube bender proposal for club
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It is nowhere in the specs but based on only 120 dies being available and after watching the video animation it looks like it is limited to that based on design. I think 240deg die thing is important. The 120 is limiting.
Most of your bends are going to be somewhere close to 90, so unless your building a shock hoop or a driveshaft hoop, I can't see where you'd need 240?
Metal Art - yea, cages - no.
What do you need to bend more than 120?
Shock hoops, stingers, bumpers, sliders. 120 just seems limiting to me.
I can see shock hoops but the rest you wouldn't need it. You'd probably also want to build shock hoops out of smaller tube and then you could make 2 bends.
That is also pretty hard core stuff. How many of the members need to build radical stuff vs. just having a cage, sliders, bumpers, etc?
Call them up and talk to them. I'm sure they have come across this issue before and could give you some advice about it.
That is also pretty hard core stuff. How many of the members need to build radical stuff vs. just having a cage, sliders, bumpers, etc?
Call them up and talk to them. I'm sure they have come across this issue before and could give you some advice about it.
maybe I'm the exception not the norm but to build a stinger you need more than 120. I guess it depends on the cost difference but why get something you can only do half of what you may like to do.
just my .02
Chris
just my .02
Chris
You don't need more than that to build a stinger.
Especially if you make 2 small bends at either side.
Don't get me wrong, if you have the cash, get the nicer tool.
You've been in my garage, you know I think that myself...I've become friends with my Snapon Rep. That says it all. (and I'm not even a mechanic).
Especially if you make 2 small bends at either side.
Don't get me wrong, if you have the cash, get the nicer tool.
You've been in my garage, you know I think that myself...I've become friends with my Snapon Rep. That says it all. (and I'm not even a mechanic).
Based on the discussion at last night's meeting, we probably need to seriously consider less expensive options such as those alternatives proposed.
Does being able to bend a shock hoop justify spending several hundred $$ more? How much are shock hoops? How many of us will need that capability? Don't get me wrong, I almost always buy more tool than I need (don't tell my wife) but that's my prerogative when spending my own money. I'm not sure we'll get enough support if we go for the pricey model. Especially because that price only includes one set of dies.
Does being able to bend a shock hoop justify spending several hundred $$ more? How much are shock hoops? How many of us will need that capability? Don't get me wrong, I almost always buy more tool than I need (don't tell my wife) but that's my prerogative when spending my own money. I'm not sure we'll get enough support if we go for the pricey model. Especially because that price only includes one set of dies.
I talked to my boss we have a laptop to donate but I have to wipe out the operating system and our proprietary software off it. The only operating software I have is windows 2000 or windows 98/95. The comp. has 2000 on it now (I believe). Its a Dell Latitude 600. it also has no floppy drive and the battery is shot but I have a power supply for it.
Chris
Chris
Then let's focus on the ProTools bender Stumbaugh brought to the table. I am probably one of the few who would use the higher degree dies and I agree that the price difference is huge.
I say nix the software. Not needed.
Go for bang for the buck. Bender, notcher and a few dies.
I'd be glad to host a tube fab welding class. In Mid Feb just for Sebastian the Brazilian French Polar Explorer who loves the cold.
Maybe Sebastian can break out his inverter tig and we can play with the pulser.
Welding upside down with the pulser is much easer.
Go for bang for the buck. Bender, notcher and a few dies.
I'd be glad to host a tube fab welding class. In Mid Feb just for Sebastian the Brazilian French Polar Explorer who loves the cold.
Maybe Sebastian can break out his inverter tig and we can play with the pulser.
Welding upside down with the pulser is much easer.
I was talking to Jerry Davis (Olde North State Cruisers) about our quest for a tubing bender so he sent me the following:
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Here is the link to the JD Squared tubing benders. I have the model 32 with
the stand and I have the 1.75" and 1.5" 180 degree dies.
JD Squared, Inc.
As you'll see, the bender itself is only $400. I then added this part from
Copperhead Fabrications and the Harbor Freight 10 ton air over hydralic ram
to give me much more control over the bender for only $170 or so.
Copperhead Fabrication
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94562
This set up allows me to bend up to 2 1/2" tubing. I've found it works very
well for me and my use, sure it would work for you and your club.
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Jon
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Here is the link to the JD Squared tubing benders. I have the model 32 with
the stand and I have the 1.75" and 1.5" 180 degree dies.
JD Squared, Inc.
As you'll see, the bender itself is only $400. I then added this part from
Copperhead Fabrications and the Harbor Freight 10 ton air over hydralic ram
to give me much more control over the bender for only $170 or so.
Copperhead Fabrication
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94562
This set up allows me to bend up to 2 1/2" tubing. I've found it works very
well for me and my use, sure it would work for you and your club.
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Jon
Jon,
I bought one of the JD benders back in the mid 1990's, built a few things with it and sold it to Ryan Bascom. Great bender but kind of a antiquated design compared to the pro tools.
The biggest problem is that this type of bender (made by JD and Pro-Tools) bends in a horizontal plane where the type that used the hydraulic jack bends in a vertical plane. When you bend vertically, you can use an angle finder to see exactly what you've bend and it's much easier to manage what is called "spring back" with a hand jack vs either air over hydraulic or a hand lever both of which have less feel.
By the time you bought the JD, bought the die and then the air over hydro ram, you could buy the Pro-Tools jack bender.
The JD style bender also has to be mounted to something where the Pro-Tools sits on the ground and bends. Much better for the club in my opinion.
Needless to say, but this is just my perspective. Clearly, in the grand scheme of things, any bender is better than no bender as far as the club is concerned.
-Stumbaugh
I bought one of the JD benders back in the mid 1990's, built a few things with it and sold it to Ryan Bascom. Great bender but kind of a antiquated design compared to the pro tools.
The biggest problem is that this type of bender (made by JD and Pro-Tools) bends in a horizontal plane where the type that used the hydraulic jack bends in a vertical plane. When you bend vertically, you can use an angle finder to see exactly what you've bend and it's much easier to manage what is called "spring back" with a hand jack vs either air over hydraulic or a hand lever both of which have less feel.
By the time you bought the JD, bought the die and then the air over hydro ram, you could buy the Pro-Tools jack bender.
The JD style bender also has to be mounted to something where the Pro-Tools sits on the ground and bends. Much better for the club in my opinion.
Needless to say, but this is just my perspective. Clearly, in the grand scheme of things, any bender is better than no bender as far as the club is concerned.
-Stumbaugh
