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Discussion in '60-Series Wagons' started by Mike S, Mar 12, 2004.

  1. Mike S

    Mike S

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    I have sorted out most of the issues for setting up my FJ60, except the most important - TRACTION.

    Years ago, when I was wheelin' my ' 72 FJ40, I didn't even think about traction enhancement, and never missed it. Since I have nuthin' but money (I wish)... now I am thinking that a stock FF RE and electric locker are cool, but just too much money and trouble.

    I believe that an ARB air locker would be the right choice for the rear.

    I am not sure about the front - for my use I believe that a good limited slip would be great up front. Question is - which one? I am thinking Auburn? I am little concerned about 4WH performance on the road, durability, and how much additional traction I would see from a LS front end, when combined with the rear locker.

    Opinions and experiences, please?

    Thanks.

    Mike S
     
  2. Poser

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    You are going to go through all the work to tear open a front axle and go through a diff....

    You only want to do this once...LSD-Limited slip...I do not want anything with 'slip' built into my drivetrain...

    ARB.


    Good luck!

    -Steve
     
  3. dd113

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    I have a no slip in the back end and love it. 99% of the time I cannot tell it is there on road. I can really tell it is there off road. In ft I have a EZ locker. It workes fine for my application, very slow crawling but I would not use it @ 40MPH in snow. Too hard to turn but it is great for the price. For snow/mud hi speed 4WD I would go ARB or McNamera. For crawling over rocks slow it is great and a good value.
     
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    Have yet to ever see a limited slip unit be able to carry a tire and keep putting power to the ground crawling over rocks....

    But that is just me...
     
  5. Jonathan_Ferguson

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    If L.S.D., Get Viscous as it does'nt wear out like Quafe, Auburn and other Friction Plate L.S.D.'s and when one Wheel is in the Air you still get Drive to the ground. :-*
     
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    [quote author=Jonathan_Ferguson link=board=1;threadid=13020;start=msg120361#msg120361 date=1079146686]


    If L.S.D., Get Viscous

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    Got a link there John.... :-*
     
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    Poser is right. LSD is lame when lifting a tire. Go for the ARB or another selectable.
     
  8. lovetoski

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    Traction - McNamara?

    David,

    You recommend and ARB or "McNamara" - what's a McNamara - I've never heard of one?

    Thanks!
     
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    Put the ARB in back and drive it for a while. You might not need to do anything to the front.
     
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    I've run ARB's front and rear in my '84 FJ60 since 1994 and love them and have never had any failure. The great thing about ARB's is that you can turn them off when you don't need them.
    I've got friends with LSD's and it looks very scary when they side hill on slippery surfaces.
    devo
     
  11. Jonathan_Ferguson

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    http://www.mcnamaradiffs.com.au/

    Jack McNamara also make Viscous L.S.D.'s and for a Hilux rear is about Australian $600.00
     
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    Traction - McNamara?

    [quote author=lovetoski link=board=1;threadid=13020;start=msg120515#msg120515 date=1079163436]
    David,

    You recommend and ARB or "McNamara" - what's a McNamara - I've never heard of one?

    Thanks!
    [/quote]

    Jack mcNamara makes a stronger air locker than ARB here in Australia but is more expensive as well
     
  13. CruisinGA

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    I have an ARB for the rear (not installed yet)
    I will eventually have an ARB for the front as well.
    I need road transparency (rides bad enough already), and I do not like to compromise off road.
    The McNamara would be my only other choice, but it is more expensive unless you need a compressor-and I didn't (prev. did York setup)
    There is a guy in the GA crusiers with an ARB rear and Auburn up front in his BJ40. He wheels very hard, and likes this setup very much.
    (For those that saw the Chapter Spotlight on the GA Cruisers in Toyota Trails-this is the same beige BJ40 that is on the first page of the article with one tire about 3 feet off the ground)
     
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    Dollar wise the aussie locker in the rear is a bargain. I run my 40 on the street during the winter in anchorage and keep the front hubs locked most of the time. The only locker I'd consider for the front would be an ARB.(I'm saving for one)
    There are some minor driveability issues with the aussie locker. Not really significant if you have a fairly lightfoot on throttle. :beer:
     
  15. I requested a info packet on ARB lockers and they said there lockers are NOT used to tow AT ALL. i cant have this as my FJ-40 is my toy haulin rig etc is that true? or when it is just locked?
     
  16. Mike S

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    [quote author=Velocity link=board=1;threadid=13020;start=msg121417#msg121417 date=1079363831]
    I requested a info packet on ARB lockers and they said there lockers are NOT used to tow AT ALL. i cant have this as my FJ-40 is my toy haulin rig etc is that true? or when it is just locked?
    [/quote]

    I hope that this does not mean I can't use the locker when towing my OR trailer...

    Mike S
     
  17. CruisinGA

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    I see no reason why that would affect towing, especially not an offroad trailer.
    When locked its more or less impossible to break (detroits and other auto lockers can break when axleshafts snap.
    I tow my atv with my 40, and I am installing an ARB. I'm not concerned.
     
  18. Mike S

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    I just called the ARB techline and posed the towing question. They said that, in an off road situation, with a stock FJ60, there would be NO REASON to be concerned about towing a trailer with the axle locked. They said that on highway, it will cause tire scuffing and other possible problems, but the locker is not needed in that situation.

    They said that about the ony time they get lockers back is when they are picking pieces of axle out of the locker - a result of too much power (right foot) and too small an axle shaft. Neither of these apply to a stock FJ60. The broken axle doesn't normally injure the locker.

    I am going with a rear ARB locker and open front diff for now.

    Mike S
     
  19. good i never called them up cause i never got around to it. Thats good to know! also CrusinGA what type of quad u got? a 265R over here.........2 of the best off-road machines ever made ;) (FJ-40 and 250R) 8)
     
  20. blackandblue

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    hey question i can get a genuine gear quicklock for 265 a powertrax lockright for 247 or i might be able to swing enough money passed the misses for a detroit at 469. this is for the rear of a daily driver 1987 fj60 stock motor drivetrain which i punish oin weekends thanks guys