Toyota’s Subscription Services 2018 and later?

[Shedkept]

Toyota Made Its Key Fob Remote Start Into a Subscription Service

Subscription-based features are taking over the automotive industry—and now they're coming for your key fob.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Dunbar]

Soon the White Hat Hackers will be paid to defeat this nonsense on behalf of car buyers. They are already tracking your every movement via the SOS button unless you specifically call them and tell them to turn in off perminantly. If you don't pay for the service after the 3 year initial free period, they still keep it on where they will contact you if you crash or you can hit the SOS button and talk to them. My free service was set to run for another 18 months or so when I purchased but I called and told them in no uncertain terms that if it is not disabled perminantly I will start pulling components until I am certain that it will never function. Test by pushing the SOS button. I get silence. Now I am putting in Compustar remote start and theft protection which will allow me to track my vehicles wherabouts. But I am in control of that data and it can not be subpoenaed from Toyota, who would immediately hand it over. Same with crash data. That is my data and me and my attorneys will either use it or not but we are not laying it out there for the opposition to use.

 

[40Man]

Soon the White Hat Hackers will be paid to defeat this nonsense on behalf of car buyers. They are already tracking your every movement via the SOS button unless you specifically call them and tell them to turn in off perminantly. If you don't pay for the service after the 3 year initial free period, they still keep it on where they will contact you if you crash or you can hit the SOS button and talk to them. My free service was set to run for another 18 months or so when I purchased but I called and told them in no uncertain terms that if it is not disabled perminantly I will start pulling components until I am certain that it will never function. Test by pushing the SOS button. I get silence. Now I am putting in Compustar remote start and theft protection which will allow me to track my vehicles wherabouts. But I am in control of that data and it can not be subpoenaed from Toyota, who would immediately hand it over. Same with crash data. That is my data and me and my attorneys will either use it or not but we are not laying it out there for the opposition to use.

Courts have generally ruled that crash test data must be preserved, and can be obtained via a warrant.

What makes you think Compustar will not hand over data that Toyota will?

 

[Dunbar]

They won't have it. The on board data will be in my control. Can always go Hilary on the hardware but I don't anticipate the need. I'm not hiding from my responsibility. But I want no uninvited surveillance of my activities. Not because I'm doing something wrong, but because I want to remain free.

 

[40Man]

They won't have it. The on board data will be in my control. Can always go Hilary on the hardware but I don't anticipate the need. I'm not hiding from my responsibility. But I want no uninvited surveillance of my activities. Not because I'm doing something wrong, but because I want to remain free.

It is a nice idea, but warrants are freely granted, and cases have gone very poorly for those that erase data.

 

[Dunbar]

I am informed and am not afraid. This discussion has gone beyond the OP's intent. I just wanted to point out the Stock system spying by Toyota to those that care. By the way, Hilary got away with it.

 

[AnyMal]

Soon the White Hat Hackers will be paid to defeat this nonsense on behalf of car buyers. They are already tracking your every movement via the SOS button unless you specifically call them and tell them to turn in off perminantly. If you don't pay for the service after the 3 year initial free period, they still keep it on where they will contact you if you crash or you can hit the SOS button and talk to them. My free service was set to run for another 18 months or so when I purchased but I called and told them in no uncertain terms that if it is not disabled perminantly I will start pulling components until I am certain that it will never function. Test by pushing the SOS button. I get silence. Now I am putting in Compustar remote start and theft protection which will allow me to track my vehicles wherabouts. But I am in control of that data and it can not be subpoenaed from Toyota, who would immediately hand it over. Same with crash data. That is my data and me and my attorneys will either use it or not but we are not laying it out there for the opposition to use.

I had a very similar and stern conversation with state farm lately, who lied and duped me into switching to them and did not mention they would need to track my every move with their safe drive bull****. This has since been canceled and the module has been binned.

Im currently using remote connect to warmup and start in the winter (which im reading is totally unnecessary and its not even cold here yet) but it is indeed tied to SOS. Im using it to test it out and force any updates it may need for a couple of months.
They are a package deal though. Definitely will be canceling this anyway as its a rip off but yeah, theres no way out if you want factory remote start.

Despite GPS being always active, this will all go away anyway. Im wondering if in the future someone will be able to retrofit a 5G radio, but then corporate has to support it on the other end. I guess the only option is a drone unit.

From the link i posted earlier elsewhere: 3G Wireless Services Update - https://lexus2.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10537/~/3g-wireless-services-update#What%20is%20Happening?

We get to:

Pay exorbitant rates for a basic feature
Lose privacy in the process
Eventually lose a feature that was part of the purchase we paid for.

What a world.