Towing with the LX700h OT - Toyota apologists move along (34 Viewers)

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Canyonero

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So I’ve been towing with my LX. I don’t have a lot of nice things to say about the experience.

My towing experience: I’ve towed light (Jeep Wrangler Rubicon towing a 3500lb travel trailer), I’ve towed heavy (F250 Diesel towing a 42ft toy hauler weighing over 10k lbs), and I’ve towed many things in between with many vehicles.

I’m familiar with WDH (Weight Distribution Hitches), and I’m familiar with paying attention to payload capacities, percentages of weight in front of the trailer axle, tongue weights, tire pressures, etc.

The LX is a s***ty tow vehicle. Here’s my pros and cons list, related specifically to towing my 5500lb (dry), 7100 lb (loaded) trailer.

PROS:
-Good power and torque available.
-It’s heavy, so there’s an inherent stability that comes with this heft.
-Cooling seems solid. Fans are loud, but Toyota clearly engineered this thing not to have its hood up on the side of the road.

That said, here are CONS:
-No tow/haul mode.
-Transmission on inclines keeps you in too low of a gear (losing speed) or downshifts into too high of a gear (acceleration, but way too much of it). It’s never happy on an incline unless you take over manual control.
-Transmission on descents, effectively it will let you turn into a misssile being launched into the apex of the next corner. Zero downshifting, zero GAF about maintaining your speed. It’s manual downshifting and heavy brake applications only.
-There is no indication ANYWHERE on your 3 screens, that you’re even towing. Nothing. No info telling you anything about the status of your lights, your trailer. Nothing.
-Even with a solid WDH, exceed 65mph only if you have a death wish. The combination of tires and suspension and a 112.2” wheelbase all conspire against you living very long at 70mph. Floatiness is an understatement. You will die.
-Edit, regular (not ACC) cruise works fine.
-Cameras are a joke for trailer hookup. Literally, laugh out loud bad. None of the angles are worth a s***. You will get out and get back in at least 3 times to check where the ball is in relation to the trailer.
-7 pin connector is right by the exhaust tip. Not lit up by the license plate, but instead underneath your bumper and at a 45 degree angle pointed downwards. So dumb, I don’t know what else to say. Usually your tow rig is running when you hook it up… it would be nice to not be knocked unconscious from C0, but Toyota DGAF.
-Trailer brake control is by your left knee. Better memorize that, because you sure as s*** won’t see it when towing.
-The gauges tell you nothing. Oil temp? Somewhere between the middle and hot. Trans temp? Take a guess, Toyota isn’t telling. This information matters and needs to be communicated in exact temp readouts. I’m towing in 90+ degree temps at 8,000’ elevation. I’d rather not wait until it’s too late to know something. Infuriating.
-Just throwing this out here for reference: Ford trucks that tow a similar figure (8k lbs) not only have none of these issues, they have truly ground breaking innovations that are built around safe towing. As soon as you plug in a trailer to the 7 pin, Ford asks you about your trailer, gives you a safety checklist, updates the UI to a towing interface, has a tow/haul setting, updates transmission shift points, updates blind spot distances, updates cruise control, and in short tries to make sure you live long enough to buy another Ford.

Toyota truly doesn’t want you to tow with the LX or has done zero homework on the topic. Yet they advertise the LX’s towing capabilities. They should be ashamed, it’s downright dangerous with some of these oversights.

Sorry if this is overly negative. Towing can be done with the LX, but it’s a huge compromise vs other vehicles in 2025 and certainly at this price point.

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Yeah it baffles me for something that comes with trailer brake controller, it doesn't have a tow haul mode like the GX550.

When the reviewers were all complaining about the pin connectors, thought they are over exaggerating but in real world when i was connecting my trailer, the exhaust is right on your face!
 
Ehh, the exhaust thing would worry me the least. I can see why they put it up under there.

And yeah I was surprised by the lack of tow haul mode.

They probably should R&D it in the US.
 
Is your tow hitch lop sided like mine?
If my primary use was to tow i would of bot a Ford gm or ram
 
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Ahh s***.... I guess the hitch is for Bicycles. :rofl:
I don't think it's compares to the big 3. Yeah use it for a bike hitch or add a bumper hitch since it lacks a real bumper. Jmho. I think Toyota is just trying to cater to American market.
 
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So I’ve been towing with my LX. I don’t have a lot of nice things to say about the experience.

My towing experience: I’ve towed light (Jeep Wrangler Rubicon towing a 3500lb travel trailer), I’ve towed heavy (F250 Diesel towing a 42ft toy hauler weighing over 10k lbs), and I’ve towed many things in between with many vehicles.

I’m familiar with WDH (Weight Distribution Hitches), and I’m familiar with paying attention to payload capacities, percentages of weight in front of the trailer axle, tongue weights, tire pressures, etc.

The LX is a s***ty tow vehicle. Here’s my pros and cons list, related specifically to towing my 5500lb (dry), 7100 lb (loaded) trailer.

PROS:
-Good power and torque available.
-It’s heavy, so there’s an inherent stability that comes with this heft.
-Cooling seems solid. Fans are loud, but Toyota clearly engineered this thing not to have its hood up on the side of the road.

That said, here are CONS:
-No tow/haul mode. Seriously.
-Transmission on inclines keeps you in too low of a gear (losing speed) or downshifts into too high of a gear (acceleration, but way too much of it). It’s never happy on an incline unless you take over manual control.
-Transmission on descents, effectively it will let you turn into a misssile being launched into the apex of the next corner. Zero downshifting, zero GAF about maintaining your speed. It’s manual downshifting and heavy brake applications only.
-There is no indication ANYWHERE on your 3 screens, that you’re even towing. Nothing. No info telling you anything about the status of your lights, your trailer. Nothing.
-Even with a solid WDH, exceed 65mph only if you have a death wish. The combination of tires and suspension and a 112.2” wheelbase all conspire against you living very long at 70mph. Floatiness is an understatement. You will die.
-No cruise control available when towing. So it DOES KNOW when you’re towing! This is actually a major gripe for me. Usually, towing a travel trailer means long trips. No cruise is straight up Bush League.
-Cameras are a joke for trailer hookup. Literally, laugh out loud (or cry?) It’s that bad. None of the angles are worth a s***. You will get out and get back in at least 3 times to check where the ball is in relation to the trailer.
-7 pin connector is right by the exhaust tip. Not lit up by the license plate, but instead underneath your bumper and at a 45 degree angle pointed downwards. So dumb, I don’t know what else to say. Usually your tow rig is running when you hook it up… it would be nice to not be knocked unconscious from C0, but Toyota DGAF.
-Trailer brake control is by your left knee. Better memorize that, because you sure as s*** won’t see it when towing.
-The gauges tell you nothing. Oil temp? Somewhere between the middle and hot. Trans temp? Take a guess, Toyota isn’t telling. This information matters and needs to be communicated in exact temp readouts. I’m towing in 90+ degree temps at 8,000’ elevation. I’d rather not wait until it’s too late to know something. Infuriating.
-Just throwing this out here for reference: Ford trucks that tow a similar figure (8k lbs) not only have none of these issues, they have truly ground breaking innovations that are built around safe towing. As soon as you plug in a trailer to the 7 pin, Ford asks you about your trailer, gives you a safety checklist, updates the UI to a towing interface, has a tow/haul setting, updates transmission shift points, updates blind spot distances, updates cruise control, and in short tries to make sure you live long enough to buy another Ford.

Toyota truly doesn’t want you to tow with the LX or has done zero homework on the topic. Yet they advertise the LX’s towing capabilities. They should be ashamed, it’s downright dangerous with some of these oversights.

Sorry if this is overly negative. Towing can be done with the LX, but it’s a huge compromise vs other vehicles in 2025 and certainly at this price point.

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Did you ever add the Trailer info in the driver dash? I don't actually if tells you anything though. Haha
 
I don't think it's compares to the big 3. Yeah use it for a bike hitch or add a bumper hitch since it lacks a real bumper. Jmho. I think Toyota is just trying to cater to American market.
For sure an F250 or GM offering will do better. But F150s have their nuances too.

As far as catering, these are large vehicles in a lot of the world and people tow with them.

They are just behind on the gadgets US pickups have. I have had it worse with an older Dodge 2500 diesel that didn’t even come with wiring for a brake controller…. 15-20 years ago but still…
 
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Well that's disappointing. I was expecting an improvement over my base model 2022, which was a delightful tow vehicle for a 5000 lb boat. Settled, not floaty at all.

I'm assuming you tried sport suspension and still got the floaty instability?
 
Well that's disappointing. I was expecting an improvement over my base model 2022, which was a delightful tow vehicle for a 5000 lb boat. Settled, not floaty at all.

I'm assuming you tried sport suspension and still got the floaty instability?

I run it almost exclusively in sport S and sport S plus when towing. Tried normal, NOPE! 😂

FWIW, I suspect 5k loads and under are mostly fine, especially a boat.

A slab-sided travel trailer at 7k lbs puts the LX in a very unhappy place.

I suspect wheelbase is the main culprit.

I towed the same camper without a WDH, from the dealer to my house (35 minutes on the highway) with my Raptor on 37” tires and it towed the trailer with significantly more stability. Adding the WDH and the Raptor tows it without issue. Both rigs are factory rated at 8k towing.
 
I run it almost exclusively in sport S and sport S plus when towing. Tried normal, NOPE! 😂
I'll be towing my boat next week, will get back to confirm...or question...your experience ;)

I've totally loved the three days I've owned mine. Feels much more "landcruiser" than my '22. It's a hefty, controlled, powerful vehicle that can just go anywhere, all day, and leave you comfortable and ready for the next adventure.
 
I'll be towing my boat next week, will get back to confirm...or question...your experience ;)

I've totally loved the three days I've owned mine. Feels much more "landcruiser" than my '22. It's a hefty, controlled, powerful vehicle that can just go anywhere, all day, and leave you comfortable and ready for the next adventure.
Can’t disagree, there’s a lot to love about the LX experience.

Hopefully my “towing heavy” (relative to the stated limits) story will help people who are curious about towing performance.

It’s not just the slop that is problematic. The lack of any UI related to towing, the lack of any transmission programming, the elimination of cruise control, the cameras, the size of the fuel tank… it’s a lot to look past.

The kool aid is good, but it’s not THAT good.
 
Were you using a WDH? Its required for 7,000.

7,000 is even kinda heavy for a Raptor??
 
A thought occurs, I wonder if the OEM soft side walls negatively affected you towing experience @Canyonero?

I've noticed they are super soft compared to the lateral stiffness of my KO2s on my 200; granted LT tires vs passenger tires.
 
Hmmm. Anyone else have trouble finding their trailer brake connector?

Did they leave mine off?!!

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This happened to the 200 as well! Now I need to go double check my truck .
 
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Wtf? Is this the top notch toyota auto body making these? Take it back to dealer!
 
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