tires constantly wear on the outside.

[re_guderian]

translation???

i.e. Are we looking at "pre" measurements? If so, it would indicate that the previous shop just sucked at doing alignments, not that the 4Runner specs were used. Shouldn't actual camber, caster and toe readings be independent of vehicle make/model? Why are your camber measurements so much different now than before? Thought that wasn't independently adjustable? Bad measurement job by one of the shops? Your Camber and Toe measurements haven't changed appreciably since the first shop's numbers using the 4Runner specs (first screen shot)? Something still not clear to me here as to what the root cause and fix actually were. It's not as simple as "wrong spec used". Can you scan and post your final measurements (pre/post) from the "good" alignment shop?

More info on the bump/travel/ride quality. Are you saying that after the alignment, you have a much smoother ride? Is tire PSI the same? Is this bump a hole or hill? etc. etc.

 

[agaisin]

^^ what re_guderian said. What are we looking at here, pre or post values?
If this is b/f the new shop aligned you, something's either hugely wrong with one of the shop's equipment or with your rig's suspension (if it could vary that much b/w shops) since the numbers are so far off b/w screen shots.

If this is after the new shop alignment, why is your caster so far off?

Even though this shows that your toe is off, rest assured at least according to the FSM up to .3 is ok for your toe. Looks like their equipment has the wrong data for toe...

 

[2000UZJ]

The initial shop aligned for a 4rnr as shown. The picture I posted this morning was the alignment screen for the 4runner alignment on the landcruiser. I do not think the camber was off, the toe was pretty bad. It's night and day difference.

The pic this morning is post initial (4runner) but pre LC alignment.

Meh, it drives better and I have the comfort that my truck is setup properly.... I guess I'll find out next rotation.

Regardless of FSM .3 is way to much on the 100.

 

[agaisin]

The CASTER is way different b/w the two - something seems wrong.
In your first image the caster measurements (in the middle) were 2.8 and 2.5. Now in the new image (apparently no change b/w screen shots), your caster is -.4 and .5 degrees?

How could it be so different if nothing was changed b/w screens?

Just trying to understand what I'm looking at...

Also, what's the logic behind .3 being too much for the 100s? I imagine Total toe is really what matters, not individual toe.

 

[re_guderian]

The initial shop aligned for a 4rnr as shown. The picture I posted this morning was the alignment screen for the 4runner alignment on the landcruiser. I do not think the camber was off, the toe was pretty bad. It's night and day difference.

The pic this morning is post initial (4runner) but pre LC alignment.

Meh, it drives better and I have the comfort that my truck is setup properly.... I guess I'll find out next rotation.

Regardless of FSM .3 is way to much on the 100.

This is what really counts, just wondering what the post measurements are so we can learn from your experience (especially if it helped in on road stability and suspension)! It seems like the first shop just did a crappy job of even measuring where your truck was. I have a lifted truck with cupped tires that need to be replaced soon, and some drift, so I personally am interested in where (camber, caster, toe) you're getting good results!

 

[1loudLX]

Nick, you adjusted your ride height on the front since the last time it was aligned tho right?

 

[2000UZJ]

This is what really counts, just wondering what the post measurements are so we can learn from your experience (especially if it helped in on road stability and suspension)! It seems like the first shop just did a crappy job of even measuring where your truck was. I have a lifted truck with cupped tires that need to be replaced soon, and some drift, so I personally am interested in where (camber, caster, toe) you're getting good results!

I have the spec sheet in my car. I will post the data later today when I get home. I will take her out on the highway and open the gate and see if there is any strangeness. LOL

 

[2000UZJ]

Nick, you adjusted your ride height on the front since the last time it was aligned tho right?

Yup. The fact is they aligned it to a stock 4runner. I have had great success with today's commute, feels like a stock 100 now with handling. I will see what the tires do after a few trips

 

[1loudLX]

I'm just trying to help agaisin figure out why your alignment was different between the 4R and LC screens.

 

[agaisin]

I'm just trying to help agaisin figure out why your alignment was different between the 4R and LC screens.

Makes sense - so the two screens are NOT a fair comparison. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[hkeller]

I jsut don't get the substantial change in ride, unless they cranked your t-bars one way or the other. Do you know whether they did. Some shops will do this to help adjust camber.

 

[2000UZJ]

I jsut don't get the substantial change in ride, unless they cranked your t-bars one way or the other. Do you know whether they did. Some shops will do this to help adjust camber.

I was there the whole time watching him this time. Seems like it's more controlled over bumpy roads. Before the wheel would shake and move quite a bit. I think this was because of the near .3 toe. I am right at 0.5 now and it's much nicer on the highway and city roads.

 

[1loudLX]

The difference between a nice ride and a crap ride is very fine on the alignment of the 100. I've had both.

 

[sosodefcane]

ok Jesus ****** I just left the shop 1 hr ago. Found a different one and they put EVERYTHING to what I wanted. The other shop was kind enough to do what they could for free. The picture shows what happens when you align a 2000 LC to a 2000 4Runner. I am now sitting at -.5 camber upfront vs yesterdays +1. Handles 100X better, you have no idea how much nicer it is. I do have a really odd finding. There is a huge bump in my road, if I hit it at 35mph I can top my shock out. I dont top out anymore, not even at 45mph. Which is strange that I apparently have more downtravel

Any ideas on regaining some nice ride quality? It went from harsh to smooth again and no tramlining!!!

What tire shop did you go to? Who was the guy you spoke to? I'd like to take mine to the same place.

 

[2000UZJ]

What tire shop did you go to? Who was the guy you spoke to? I'd like to take mine to the same place.

Butler tire off Roswell Rd. Great service. Talk with Craig.

 

[gearguywb]

Would you mind posting the specs of where the final set up is? I had mine aligned (again) the other day and it is a lot better but at factory specs it still pulls to the right some.

 

[LSUfj]

Digging up this thread in hopes of finding a solution to the same problem. I have a 2004 LX with about a 1/2” AHC sensor lift. I’ve replaced the following and also had Lexus perform an alignment with everything in spec. Drives fine, but both fronts wear pretty fast on the outer edge.

• OEM Upper control arms (with bushings/ball joints
• OEM lower bushings
• 555 lower ball joints

 

[LSUfj]

Still headed home in a long road trip and will dig into this more when I get home, but let’s argue a theory. Would a slow bleed/leak of rear AHC, resulting in a ~1/2” rear height drop cause enough of a tow-in increase (in the front) to dramatically increase outer tire wear in the front?

I’m skeptical of my own theory since toe shouldn’t change if the front remains at the same height. But…tires seem to be more worn than they were at the beginning of this 2k mile trip.

 

[LSUfj]

Latest alignment.