I didn't read most of this thread, But I get the idea. With the clubs I currently ride with, there are a lot of talks with the FS. Any trail maintenance is coordinated with FS. Anyone who plans to operate chain saw has to take the FS course and recieve their license. If the FS knows that a club is going to take care of the land, they are usually willing to work with the club. Course they add a lot of restrictions. IE no new trails, limited water crossings etc.