synthetic winch line size for an 80-series

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I'm loading my Warn 9.5xp up on the front of my 80 and wanted to get some input from folks more knowledgeable than me as to what I should go with.

The winch came with 125-ft of 5/16" steel wire rope. I've looked at MasterPull's and the AmSteel stuff from Winchline.com. It looks like the MP stuff is rated for higher strength for the same diameters versus the AmSteel.

My initial pick was this from Winchline.com:
5/16" X 125' Viking Fire/Trail Combo Line with Winch Safety Thimble

Then I started wondering if the 5/16" was rated enough and if I could fit 100-ft of the 3/8" line.

Any input? Thanks.
 
clownmidget said:
I'm loading my Warn 9.5xp up on the front of my 80 and wanted to get some input from folks more knowledgeable than me as to what I should go with.

The winch came with 125-ft of 5/16" steel wire rope. I've looked at MasterPull's and the AmSteel stuff from Winchline.com. It looks like the MP stuff is rated for higher strength for the same diameters versus the AmSteel.

My initial pick was this from Winchline.com:
5/16" X 125' Viking Fire/Trail Combo Line with Winch Safety Thimble

Then I started wondering if the 5/16" was rated enough and if I could fit 100-ft of the 3/8" line.

Any input? Thanks.
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I went with 3/8" X-Line on my 9.5XP...works great...and I would do it again. http://www.offroadonly.com/products/recovery/x-line/x-line3.shtml
 
I have been thinking about this recently as well.

I found this review http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/mambo2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=32 , It pertains to how much 3/8 will fit on the 9.5xp. They said 100' was too much. Look under the paragraph that starts with, "With the colors."

How much did you put on Spressomon?

I'm not sold on the winch safety thimble, it saves me if I like to run the line all the way into the hawse without looking I guess??. I like the tube thimble eye with the hook on it. I'm interested in what others think on the subject.

Do we really need the 3/8 or will the 5/16 work fine on a 9500lb winch? I'm for safety but is it necessary?

TR
 
I don't have the info for the Master pull readily available right now. We just bought two spools of Amsteel Blue so I have these numbers fresh in my mind. The Amsteel 5/16 is rated at 10,5000. Amsteel Blue in 5/16 is rated at 13,700.

IMHO no reason to go with 3/8 on a winch rated at 9,500 of line pull (only on the last wrap too, remember).


Mark...
 
TroutRunner said:
I have been thinking about this recently as well.

I found this review http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/mambo2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=32 , It pertains to how much 3/8 will fit on the 9.5xp. They said 100' was too much. Look under the paragraph that starts with, "With the colors."

How much did you put on Spressomon?

I'm not sold on the winch safety thimble, it saves me if I like to run the line all the way into the hawse without looking I guess??. I like the tube thimble eye with the hook on it. I'm interested in what others think on the subject.

Do we really need the 3/8 or will the 5/16 work fine on a 9500lb winch? I'm for safety but is it necessary?

TR
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100'. I went back & forth trying to decide on 5/16" vs. 3/8"...decided 3/8" for extra margin of safety/protection related to accidental abrasion should/if it occurs. But as above 5/16" is well within the recovery capacity of the other components of the system (and X-Line might have only been available in 3/8"...can't remember). I like my self locking safety hook/clasp...works great for me. I just made a bracket that attached to the frame that holds the safety hook taught, high, out of the way and secure. But it's a matter of preference which style hook/clasp you go with on the end of your line. Be sure whatever you go with you have the appropriate sized D/Bow shackles to fit all your 'ends'.
 
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what about this bizness about making the first wrap made out of this high temp stuff etc...?
 
Mike,
I have 5/16 b/c it is rated stronger than the steel cable so I figured that's good. From here
http://rockstomper.com/catalog/recovery/ropes.htm
I got the "abrasion guard" too. I used the WARN hook and put it on the loop end. Saved some bucks$. I don't understand the thimble- how do you hook it onto a recovery point? Instead of messing w/ d-shackles, the hook is just easier i think.

I think Rick has the thicker stuff.

Also note that the longer line you put in, the less pulling power you have so you might have to double-line it w/ a snatch block more often... but then again, it helps if a anchor is far away or you have to do some geometry/side pull stuff. Syn basically has no weight penalty for 70' or 125'...

also, Eduardo hooked me up w/ some fire hose- this makes a GREAT syn line sleeve. It's super rugged and you could winch on rocks w/o abrading the syn line.

Only thing to remember is to keep the syn line clean. UV doesn't really break it down, grit rubbing in the strands does.

Eric, it only heats up in reverse (power extending the cable) like if you are backing down a ledge. I think it's an issue w/ competition rockcrawlers
 
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FirstToy said:
Eric, it only heats up in reverse (power extending the cable) like if you are backing down a ledge. I think it's an issue w/ competition rockcrawlers
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Very helpful info that I have seen posted in other places, FirstToy.

FirstToy, what length and winch did you decide on?

I'll probably get the 9.5xp which is rated for 5/16" 125'. Don't know if I need over a hundred feet of line or not. Kind of like the idea of just carrying an extra length if I need more ans most pulls won't be to long.

TR
 
FYI: I carry an additional 75' of Amstel Blue with metal loops on each end...just in case 100' is not enough.
 
TroutRunner said:
Very helpful info that I have seen posted in other places, FirstToy.

FirstToy, what length and winch did you decide on?

I'll probably get the 9.5xp which is rated for 5/16" 125'. Don't know if I need over a hundred feet of line or not. Kind of like the idea of just carrying an extra length if I need more ans most pulls won't be to long.

TR
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I have a M8000 and I think 75' of line.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=106252

My thinking was less wraps is better & situations where absolute length isn't an issue but I would probably get 100' just because "you never know"... but maybe I'll just buy an extension for those occaisions...
 
e9999 said:
what about this bizness about making the first wrap made out of this high temp stuff etc...?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it was my understanding that winches were designed to dissapate heat through the drum. So it's essentially a heat sink. It works great with steel cable but it's been known to melt synthetic. That's why winchline uses technora amarid fiber, it has a higher melting point than amsteel blue.

I'm curious why a winch would only get hot during line out. I'd imagine it would get hot either way. I would think an electric motor pulling over 300 amps would get hot regardless of line direction.

Back on topic...I have a m10000 with damaged 5/16" 125' of steel cable and I plan on replacing it with 3/8" 100' of winchlines fire/trail combo line with the safety thimble. It will fit. I'd also like to carry a 50' extension just in case.
 
The winch might dissipate heat through the drum, but more importantly the braking mechanism is in the drum of the traditional style winches. When the winch is wound out the winch is having to work against the brake. The drum then heats up since the brake is being overridden.
 
Makes sense, thanks. I just looked at an exploded view of a warn m10000 and I see what you're referring to.
 
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