synthetic winch cable info needed

[sledge916]

Hello all

I have searched and wanted to know what the general consensus is regarding synthetic winch cable. I have a warn 8000 on the front of my 80 that weighs in at its heaviest 7000 pounds my cable is getting kinda rough.

I had amstel blue on my old 40 several years ago and did not like the fact that it would stick together after you winched the truck, meaning it was very hard to get it out to winch again.

Just wanted to check and see what the latest and greatest was with the synthetic cable. What has been working good for you guys. And if there were any bargins to be had out there.

Could I fit 100 feet on a warn 8000?

Thanks all

Sethro

 

[bluecruiser]

I just bought 100ft of synthetic Amsteel from this guy. Great pricing and great communication. Found him in the vendor marketplace. One man operation. I have it spooled onto a M8000.

FYI, if you are looking for 100 ft of brand new steel cable that just came off the M8000, you can have mine for cheap!!

Thanks!

Kris' Splicing Home

 

[azTony]

With synthetic cable I read that when you spool it back in it can not be "a perfect spool" neatly side by side because when you go to spool out it gets hung up and causes problems. I "just" read this last week and I can not remember where I read it. It says when you spool it back on you should use your hand to spool it back and forth so it is not a nice neat spool.

This is just what I read but I do not have syn cable, I have steel but was thinking about syn so did some research and that is what I found. Maybe someone else with history of syn can chime in.

 

[inkpot]

Howdy! Mine came with synthetic, but I'm not sure what brand. It is grey, if that means anything. I have heard about the winding issue, and I think that someone suggested wiping it down with silicone, but I have not tried that idea. I do know that you should not re-use a snatch block or roller lead that has previously had steel cable on it. Start with fresh, new, smooth stuff. My rig also came with nylon? guide rollers on it. Not sure of the source, maybe Slee? John

 

[azTony]

This is the video I watched

YouTube - Tigerz11 2 Speed Winch Install

The video at the 2:10 time in the video talks about this. Again I have no experience with syn.

 

[JeremyM]

Howdy! Mine came with synthetic, but I'm not sure what brand. It is grey, if that means anything.

My rig also came with nylon? guide rollers on it. Not sure of the source, maybe Slee? John

The grey synthetic line might be Technora. I know that Viking Offroad carries Derlin guide rollers for use with synthetic line on a roller fairlead - might be ordering a set of those soon myself.

 

[JackA]

Yes you can fit 100' of line on the 8000 Warn. I have used several brands of rope. All pretty much the same. As for it getting stuck, steel does that too. Pull harder.

 

[bdiemer]

Just purchased 92' of 1/2" amsteel blue from truckandwinch.com for $129.00. So, who needs approximately 140' of 5/16 wire from an 8274? The price is right! Make offer and pick up cactus and Hayden.

 

[cartercd]

If you decide to go with synthetic make sure you get it from a reputable source. If the price is too good to be true, it might not be authentic fiber. Sampson rope (sampsonrope.com) makes Amsteel Blue and their website is very informative. It also has details on the approved splicing techniques. In addition to the more reputable 4x4/winch shops, marine and rigging stores sometimes have better deals (and you can buy it by the foot).

 

[-Spike-]

Kris' Splicing Home

That guy is very helpful to folks in the winching forum, fixed up a guy who had gotten screwed by a fleabay vendor.

 

[MoGas]

Just purchased 92' of 1/2" amsteel blue from truckandwinch.com for $129.00. So, who needs approximately 140' of 5/16 wire from an 8274? The price is right! Make offer and pick up cactus and Hayden.

I could use it. I'm down to ~110 feet on mine.

I should be down that way again in a week or so. PM me contact info.


Dave

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

Ill add to the hi-jack

I have a used steel cable - free to anyone who picks it up.

 

[sledge916]

Just purchased 92' of 1/2" amsteel blue from truckandwinch.com for $129.00. So, who needs approximately 140' of 5/16 wire from an 8274? The price is right! Make offer and pick up cactus and Hayden.

the website looks like the name of the rope is Tuff Stuff , is that the same as amsteel Blue?

Sethro

 

[bdiemer]

the website looks like the name of the rope is Tuff Stuff , is that the same as amsteel Blue?

Sethro

It is made of Dyneema the fiber used in Amsteel rope. I think Amsteel Blue is a relabel of Dyneema whom is the manufacturer. Amsteel is owned by Master Pull. Clear?

 

[cartercd]

-Dyneema is a fiber developed by DSM, a Dutch company. They either make the fiber or license the technology, but don't make the stranded rope itself.

-Sampson Rope (Washington state) makes AmSteel-Blue 12 strand rope out of the Dyneema Fiber and apply a proprietary coating to it that apparently increases performance. They have been manufacturing this for many years for the marine industry. They make up to 8" diameter rope with 6 million pound breaking strength

-Master Pull apprently has worked their way around the registered trademark AmSteel-Blue and created Amsteel Blue. They probably use bulk rope from Sampson, but the whole things looks a little fishy to me. I would be interested to know what Sampson Rope thinks about the whole thing. It is possible that Master Pull is also buying fiber from DSM and weaving their own line. I do notice Master Pull's rating for line is less than Sampson Rope's

AmSteel®-Blue = genuine product made by Sampson out of Dyneema fiber
Amsteel Blue® = Master Pull's "division" that apparently sells winch rope. Notice on the amsteelblue.com website it says "Amsteelblue.com is not affiliated with Samson® Rope Technologies, Inc."

Master Pull seems to have a good reputation and they probably use the correct rope. I will e-mail them as well as Sampson and see what response I get.

On a slightyy related topic. Sampson Rope also makes a 12 strand braided rope out of Dyneema fiber called Amsteel that is available in red, grey, and green, but it has a lower breaking strength than AmSteel Blue. So make sure you know what you are buying.

 

[sledge916]

this is VERY helpful guys, thanks for the responses, MUDD rocks!!!!!

Thanks Again
Sethro

 

[cartercd]

Got responses from both Sampson Rope and Master Pull.

From Sampson:

We designed and manufacture both AmSteel and AmSteelBlue. Both are made with Dyneema fiber from DSM. AmSteel Blue is a higher grade and thus has higher strength than AmSteel.

The proprietors of amsteelblue.com do not manufacture any rope, they are merely resellers. Regarding their name, they managed to squat that URL years ago and we deemed it not worthwhile to pursue acquiring the URL. AmSteelBlue however, is our registered trademark.

DSM is a large chemical company who among other products manufactures Dyneema fiber. They do not manufacture rope. We are not the only rope company in the world who manufactured 12 strand rope from Dyneema fiber, but we are the largest and most experienced. We strive to always be on the forefront of the technology bringing next generation products to market through our own intensive R&D programs and by leveraging the R&D of our suppliers and partners such as DSM.

We design, manufacture and test all our ropes in the US (Washington and Louisiana) and stand behind our product with worldwide sales, engineering and tech support staff. I can’t speak for any other manufacturers or resellers.

I hope this answered the questions you have. If not, feel free to email or call me anytime. Also, if you are ever in NW Washington or southern Louisiana, and you would like to visit and tour one of the plants, give e a call and I’m sure I can set that up.

(name omitted by poster)
Engineering Manager

And from Master Pull:

The rope sold on the Amsteel Blue website is Amsteel Blue. We do not buy directly from Samson.

Thank You,
The sales team @
MASTER-PULL LLC.

If I need synthetic rope again I know who I'm going to. Note that if you buy raw rope from a distributor you would need to splice your own ends, but I found this fun and quite easy following the Samspon technical guide.

 

[ChaseTruck]

...I have steel but was thinking about syn...

so how's 'Blue' going to fit into the new color scheme on your truck?

 

[rebelnoclu]

I've used Master Pull for the last 8 years or so. I have 125' of 5/16" on a Warn 9000i. I keep the spool neatly and tightly packed and haven't had any problem with the rope pinching. I just respool it by hand when I return from a run where I've used it. It is safer, much lighter, has almost twice the line rating of comparable size aircraft steel cable, it floats and will just fall to the ground harmlessly if it should break. You have to shield the rope with a carpet or jacket if the rope goes over a rock edge as you are pulling.

 

[azTony]

so how's 'Blue' going to fit into the new color scheme on your truck?

Couldn't I just rattle can it?

My approach angle was the reason for the bumper swap and the chrome has bothered me from day 1. Believe me, I like chrome just not on the LC.



This is my ride that accepts the chrome theme well!