AltFuel Supplemental Hydrogen Generator

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cheers yeah i've seen all the sites pretty much it is a easy process and have demonstrated it to my friends to prove i could produce this gas...i used a couple coins and some wire it was crude as heck but proved the concept for no money only with a couple things i already had laying around.....

"the best ides are the most simple ones" ME
 
From what I hear, diesels love the stuff with the higher compression. I know a guy who has a dodge3500 cummins duelly and getting 22-24 mpg from 14-16. He said it had tons of power for hauling. I just wish I had a 3B right now instead of a 2(much)F(uel). What do you get? 25-30 mpg stock. I wonder how much hho would boost the 3B's power, maybe enough to make a difference.
 
Is this generator just a simple electrolyser?

I may be correct but just wanted to verify if this was just a simple electrolyser introduccing oxygen and hydrogen to the air mixture? I have thought of building my own and taking the wind generators current to store the hydrogen part in some large propane tank. Then it can be put onboard a carbon fiber high pressurized tank on the cruiser to save on fuel cost.
 
yep pretty sure that's all it does. I don't see why people think storing hydrogen on board is so dangerous... after all we store gasoline!!
 
yep pretty sure that's all it does. I don't see why people think storing hydrogen on board is so dangerous... after all we store gasoline!!
You would have to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen and store the hydrogen seperately or else the hho quickly deteriates when stored. Also, compressed hydrogen is EXTREMELY explosive as much as 5 times more powerful than gasoline. Why store it, when you can make it from very stable and safe water on demand systems.
What I can't figure out is why our main source of hydrogen is natural gas. This doesn't make sense as it takes a lot of energy to make it this way and the natural gas already can be used in a vehicle as a fuel itself. Hydrogen can be made much more economically through simple electrolysis from water and the electricity can be made cleanly through solar, hydro, wind, etc.
You can also run an electrical generator off of nothing but hho to produce electricity. since it runs at a consistant rpm. The applications of hho are just beginning.
 
"You can also run an electrical generator off of nothing but hho to produce electricity. since it runs at a consistant rpm. The applications of hho are just beginning.
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Verging on perpetual motion there.......
 
"You can also run an electrical generator off of nothing but hho to produce electricity. since it runs at a consistant rpm. The applications of hho are just beginning.
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Verging on perpetual motion there.......
Our manufacturing facility in atlanta runs off of two hho generators for it's complete operation.
 
you're saying you have 2 electrodes coming from the generator sitting in water making gas, then collecting that gas and burning it in the generator?

If so, BS....thermodynamics, wind resistance, friction, and physics says so.
 
you're saying you have 2 electrodes coming from the generator sitting in water making gas, then collecting that gas and burning it in the generator?

If so, BS....thermodynamics, wind resistance, friction, and physics says so.
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Hope this clears up some questions
 
I NEVER said hydrogen isn't a viable option. I never said hydrogen cannot be used in cars. I SAID...you cannot power the same electric
generators with the same hydrogen that is produced by said generators. If you could...ll you would have to do is give the flywheel a spin and it will run forever....perpetually...as in perpetual motion.

BTW: I don't read wiki citations, anything that can modified and submitted the general public is not a reliable source.
 
I NEVER said hydrogen isn't a viable option. I never said hydrogen cannot be used in cars. I SAID...you cannot power the same electric
generators with the same hydrogen that is produced by said generators. If you could...ll you would have to do is give the flywheel a spin and it will run forever....perpetually...as in perpetual motion.

BTW: I don't read wiki citations, anything that can modified and submitted the general public is not a reliable source.

Hey Sniperx
How about : u have the hho generator fueling a burner that runs a steam engine that powers a generator to produce hho.When the hho burns it makes water for the steam engine. :hhmm: BTW, I have to agree with the above statment. Perp motion is currently impossible. IMHO:cheers:
 
The "Laws" of Physics. A misleading phrase. Its not that we can't break them. We just haven't figured out how yet. Don't believe me? OK. Then the world is flat, and the universe revolves around the Earth. :bang:

OK, a friend of mine stumbled across this HHO thing while looking for info on some caves on Vancouver Island. I Thought it was a neat idea. I'd love to try it. I probably will, but I'll make my own, thank you.

So instead of calling bull****, and "EEEK! Snake Oil!!" I'd like to throw around ideas, and see if we come up with something better? I'll start.

The problems I have with everything I've read, or watched in the last few weeks are as follows:

Keep in mind, I'm not a scientist, neither are most the people I've read about. I'm a Theatre Technician, who's also a car freak. I get asked by artists to do weird s*** on almost a daily basis. Short of the impossible, They haven't stumped me yet.

1. Lo-Tech (Lacking a realistic amount of suitable pre-existing technology)

Example: The use of milk jugs. Are you kidding me? No seriously, you're creating not one but two, explosive gases, using plastic milk jugs... and then holding a lighter above the spout to prove that the gases are combustible. Good luck in the next life, it's coming sooner than you think.

To be honest, I've thought about doing the same to develop my own ideas. The thing about using the proper equipment, is even if you abandon the project, you can always find another use for the gear.

2. Mis-match (Trying to combine two or more ideas or things with insufficient knowledge of either)

Look at all the people that are trying to sell these things, YouTube, online Storefronts. My impression is that for the most part, they heard about this idea, and figured, "Money"! Either they'll make a bundle, or they'll save a bundle. But that's all they see. I said earlier that I'm a car freak. I think that's more important than most would. I'm don't want to sell HHO as a means(your money) to an end(my early retirement). I want to use HHO as a means(reduced fuel costs) to an end(my enjoyment of my vehicles throughout my life, including my eventual retirement).

Historically, technological development in the automotive industries, both OEM and aftermarket, has been pushed by enthusiasts through competition and necessity. Marlin Crawler, Advanced Adapters, Top Fuel Dragsters changing from front engine to rear engine, Small wings to big ones for more downforce. Aircraft cable to synthetic winch line.

Now I have Questions:

What is the air fuel ratio for each cylinder charge on a:
2F?
3B?
350 SBC?

What is the maximum volume of fuel used in one minute for the same engines?

For the moment: regardless of power used vs. power produced, can a HHO Generator produce an equal or greater volume of "fuel" than either engine would need?

Is the potential energy in a volume of HHO greater or less than the PE in an equal volume of Gas? or Diesel?

What is the pressure thresh-hold of HHO gas? At what level of pressure does HHO become potentially dangerous?

To my knowledge the HHO concept is:

Container of distilled water, with added electrolyte
Some form of conductor(s) immersed in the container.
DC Voltage applied to either end of conductor.
Plumbing of HHO produced, to the Air intake.
Effect is similar to Nitrous - not used to go faster, but to go the same speeds while not pushing the gas pedal as far, thus going further on less gas.

Doesn't electrolosis produce distilled water after the vapor condenses?

Conductors or plates immersed in some liquid solution, sounds similar to battery technology. Can we use that concept to make a more efficient HHO generator?

Does mixing the HHO with the Atmospheric air charge outside of the cylinder dilute, and decrease the potential energy of the HHO?

Gasoline use became more efficient with the use of fuel injection. Could we apply the same concepts to the use of HHO?

If anything useful comes out of this... Cool! If not... we wasted a few more 1s and 0s.

Cheers:beer:

Chris McPherson
fj55hybrid@gmail.com
 
this is not perpetual motion. The fuel is the hydrogen in the water the electicity is just there to get it out. You have to refill the water. Hydrogen is burned in the process and doesn't come back.:bang:
 
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Wow!
turtle, when's the book version coming out?

wes1977, your on it, it's not perpetual motion or rocket science?

law of physics? I never studied law.

here's the cycle: water(h20) + dc(applied appropriately) = hho

hho + combustion = dry steam exhaust, then as it cools, turns into water vapor
 

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