SUMOTOY MULTIPLE EXHAUST INSTALLS - Long

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

Joined
Jun 1, 2005
Threads
42
Messages
1,836
Location
Chicago
Sumotoy's Multiple Exhaust Installs - Long

Some 10 combinations of hardware later... It's almost done? Hope my hyper-diligence in 80 exhaust project management can help some folks looking to travel down this slippery slope.

BACKGROUND - 94 FZJ80
Back in 2006 I installed a TRD Supercharger, and within 8 months had blown off the rear resonator (repaired by deletion), then blew out the rear over-axle pipe that squeezes down to 1.5in on a stock 80. At that point it was time to replace the system completely. My background is in turbo exhausts on Audis, usually in the 3in flavor, so I was hoping the 80 project would be simpler than it ended up being. I will do my best to recall what I had before, as the pics will be of my latest (likely not final) iteration. The best way to do this I suppose, is to go by section...

COLLECTOR
The 94 uses two downpipes into two sandwiched cats to a collector, then over the axle.... If you intend to keep the cats (and they are good high flow cats), the best bet is to build 'after' the collector, it's a nice piece (my generation 1 modified exhaust). Since that time my cats were of the rattle variety, I went with the cat delete option using a standard summit 3inch in>dual 2.5inch out collector --- reversed
picture.php


The fitment was bolt-on, with no rebending of the stock downpipes necessary (albeit the ends of the dowpipes stretched to 2.5ID). I used the stock 02 sensor locations (note the shields are quite toast).

THE "SIX FLAGGS UP AND OVER RIDE" (tm FZJ80)
IME with exhausts systems, there is a diminishing rate of performance return for mandrel bends the further you get from the collector. That said, I wanted mandrel to the first muffler. A slight compromise to make it fit near Muffler 1, but the important part over the frame was mandrel (2x3in pre-bent Mandrel bent "U"s from Summit: Cut, clocked, and rewelded)
picture.php


FRONT MUFFLER
Here comes 6 iterations... I have 'benched' 4 different 3in in/out mufflers here
Magnaflow 6in round x 2 - 1 shorty, 1 RV long dog = too loud
Flowmaster Offset in center out = louder than the Magnaflow
Thrush Turbo = quieter, but no quiet enough
Walker dyomax 12x9x4 = ok, but picked up a noticeable drone
Walker 16x11x6 offest in/center out = current

Notice that the muffler is slightly clocked inside-up to clear the frame and clear all driveshaft articulation (it looks tight, but never hits, bttt). Best rule, get the biggest and longest muffler that your installer can fit, it's the primary sound dampener. He will like you better if you get a universal fit (non directional) center in-offset out for more install options. We had the walkers up one direction, then the other, as we looked at pipe fitments
picture.php


REAR AXLE CLEARANCE CLARENCE!
I tried to get a mandrel bend 3in over that axle, it was not meant to be. I let the boys just do a standard crimp bend, and it worked, but it's really tight, I now know why the stocker is 1.5in there. I may address this with the mandrel bent 'ovalled' pipe I use on other fitments, but I don't think it will make enough of a difference to revisit. At least until I do a Kaymar rear tire mount.

COMING DOWN THE HOME STRETCHES
I envy those that have already moved the rear spare tire, it makes this portion of the run with limitless options. I followed the stock configuration for now, and it created some interesting challenges - and I learned a lot about the 80 acoustics back here
picture.php


Very first rule: That stock rear resonator bracket (near the forward trailer hitch bolt)... Do not remove it! On my 4th install, I removed it and went with a downturn 45 behind the mudflap. That bracket does more than hang the exhaust, it keeps the noise from bouncing around above it. I put it back (before adding the rear resonator back in) and it cut the sound significantly.

DUMPING THE FINAL ROUNDS OUT THE BACK
The rear resonator. What a PITA to find a replacement as good as the stocker. The maximum room outside the frame rail is 5in, and with that bracket in place, it pretty much dictates a 4in resonator. To make the bend at the rear tire, and dump prior to the rear bumper endcap, 12in muffler body is pretty much the max that will fit without issue. With a lot of measured room going up in this spot (with bracket removed), we spent a lot of time trying to get the Thrush 3in rectangular 17660 - 13x4x10 - to fit upright in this spot. Just too darn tight, so that muffler I also own for another project. Back to going 'round' (and round?)...
1 Glasspack - you *will* drive alone - and your family in another car
1 Walker 4in "resonator" - Is this the tech department? "If it sounds like a glasspack, it's not a resonator!"
1 delete and turn 45 degrees down and out - looked the best, but I think the glasspack was quieter - 2 days and that was replaced
1 Magnaflow 4in round - more great marketing of a resonator that sounds just like a glasspack
1 Moroso "Sprial flow" muffler?!?! Yes, that did the trick.

After multiple calls to various suppliers tech departments (Walker and Magnaflow) about the unacceptable exhaust drone at 70, I got the answer from a race buddy that tows with a highly modified Propane Injected Turbo Diesel Excursion. He convinced me to at least try the 'spiral flow' exhaust concept, and it works great (Summit Racing Moroso 94052 3.5in/3.5 out). Apparently the turbo diesel guys get a lot of exhaust drone too. I also spoke directly with a Dodge TurboDiesel guy that had even better noise reduction by going .5in outlet size larger than the exhaust pipe size (so for my 3in system, I used a 3.5in piped muffler, and got a 3.5>3.0 reducer (also Summit) to adapt the pipe to the muffler inlet - resulting in a 3in in>3.5out fitment. 3.5 mandrel 90 degree downturn (Summit), custom salami cut and sculpted by me, cuz I'm picky about such things...
picture.php


SUMMARY
First and foremost, the stock exhaust from toyota is hard to beat. If I was doing this from scratch, I'd likely keep the Toyota center exhaust and redo the rear overaxle and add the Spiral rear. A good, quiet 3in system is not for the faint of heart or wallet. I don't want to even think how much all this cost me, luckily my exhaust guys do a lot of work for me already, so my multiple changes were well tolerated.

I'm now very familiar with what won't work on the 80, and what does. When I eventually move the spare tire, I suspect I will do a dual 2.5 from the center muffler (3in in dual 2.5 out) then go dual spirals inside the frame rails. But for now, I have tamed the Supercharged I6 drummers better than any of my previous attempts at achieving the elusive 80 'stock' tailpipe sound.
picture.php


picture.php

Almost as quiet as stock. Finally!

Cheers and HTH

Scott J
94 FZJ80 Supercharged 3in dowpipe back
 
Last edited:
I've got a 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust that just fits over the frame at the rear axle. It was a PITA to get it in there, but it works and doesnt rattle against anything.
 
3in Exhaust - Over rear axle section

yes great write up! Do you have any more pics where it goes above the rear cross member?
Thanks. Here's some shots of the 'shot' over the axle... The shiny black stuff is 3M spray-on undercoating.
picture.php


picture.php



Ozdunc said:
I've got a 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust that just fits over the frame at the rear axle. It was a PITA to get it in there, but it works and doesnt rattle against anything.
It's tight for 2.5, it's even tighter for 3in. 3in will actually fit with minor crimps as it goes over the 2 corners of the frame as you can see in pic1, but it needs to be held with a pretty HD rubber hanger to keep it from moving under load = increase NVH. I like using soft hangers, so I will be addressing this again at some point. I will either do dual 2.5 mandrel or single 3in oval mandrel to get this cleaned up better.

And a detail of the bracket not to remove. Note the layers of 3M undercoating, the Dodge STR8 hanger from the toyota bracket... What you can't see well is the rubber pad gasket I put between the bracket and the frame for additional sound dampening.
picture.php


It was pretty amazing what the bracket, spray, and 'soft' hanger did to keep the back end noise down significantly. Means less soundproofing of the interior needed (see sound dampening 80 thread)

HTH and cheers

Scott J
94 FZJ80 Supercharged - 3in dowpipe back
 
Ok scott, so whats a salami cut? see i did read all that. :D
Thanks for taking the time to do the research and writeup, Im sure it will help some folks during their exhaust adventures.
I still gotta read a few more time to fully understand, but I do understand it would be nice to have an exhaust buddy. I did the 3''and wasnt super thrilled but it sucked the funds downa and it stays at the bottom of the list cause it aint broke, just noisy. The outlet end might be my first area to attack. Lose the glasspack (which was added later to make it tolerable) and go up .5 inch.

Do you feel there is a distinct advantage/gain from 2.5'' to 3''.
Mine felt like a rocket (albeit a really loud rocket) the day I picked it up but feels lacking now.
Either the butt dyno is used to it or the pinholes at the welds are leaking pressure.

the 19'' dynomax has been on my radar for a while. they sound pretty good.
 
Ok scott, so whats a salami cut? see i did read all that.
Thanks for taking the time to do the research and writeup, Im sure it will help some folks during their exhaust adventures.
I still gotta read a few more time to fully understand, but I do understand it would be nice to have an exhaust buddy. I did the 3''and wasnt super thrilled but it sucked the funds downa and it stays at the bottom of the list cause it aint broke, just noisy. The outlet end might be my first area to attack. Lose the glasspack (which was added later to make it tolerable) and go up .5 inch.

Do you feel there is a distinct advantage/gain from 2.5'' to 3''.
Mine felt like a rocket (albeit a really loud rocket) the day I picked it up but feels lacking now.
Either the butt dyno is used to it or the pinholes at the welds are leaking pressure.

the 19'' dynomax has been on my radar for a while. they sound pretty good.

"Salami cut" refers to cutting the exit of an exhaust pipe such that it then exceeds the actual pipe dimension. Specific to my 'Salami Cut' of the 3.5in pipe I used, the top-to-bottom dimension measures 4 1/8 and the side to side 3.5. I do them mostly for looks, but I do see the technique is now outlawed in F1. :hhmm:

IMO, the best value per dollar is on the spiral rear. I got the non stainless version Moroso from Summit for 50bucks to make sure it worked, but they also make a stainless version for twice that. I have read some complaints that the non-stainless version will rust out, if it does, I'll get the stainless version.

The unbalanced I6 pulses tend to find the bad sound in any exhaust system chosen. I don't like loud exhausts, so I found the hard way a lot of 'flow through' exhausts were glass-packs by the sound-definition. The only free flow mufflers I use regularly that I find quiet are Borlas, but I haven't tried that on the 80 yet. And they don't have anything for the rear resonator, I called them and asked for the help....

Performance gains? Specifically to the exhaust... I suspect the best bang4buck would be the stock center muffler with a replacement over-axle pipe, and a free-er flowing rear resonator.

Cheers

Scott J
94 FZJ80 Supercharged 3in -dowpipe back
 
Back
Top Bottom