Suggestions to seal block heater into freeze plug hole?

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Doug, I currently have 2 heaters sitting on a shelf (STILL yet to be installed......maybe this year) interestingly one is for DS install (ordered for a 96 lexi) and one is for PS install (ordered for my 93) the brass heater on both is the same, the diff is the elctrical cord config and stamped temp rating on the cord itself. again there is no difference in the actual brass heater plug. I will have a look at the Orings in each to see if I can see a difference.
 
So, there's not really a lot of seating pressure. The O rings seem to deteriorate and crack.

sounds like they are using the wrong material. It needs to be OK for petroleum products and be able to with stand a substantial amount of heat.

Figure out what size you need and then go to McMaster-Carr and search for one of the proper material.
 
O rings are normally used for applications where they are under pressure and fixed in place, I believe. E.g. better in a groove, not just floating around under a flange. A gasket is better for the latter probably. Is that possibly an issue here? Where is this Oring fitted?
 
It sounds like a heat issue to me....install it on the DS and see what happends :idea: Orings should last a long time, not just a couple of years.
 
sounds like they are using the wrong material. It needs to be OK for petroleum products and be able to with stand a substantial amount of heat.

Figure out what size you need and then go to McMaster-Carr and search for one of the proper material.

Ok for petroleum might not be ok for coolant, or heat. Not a lot of Nitrile O-rings are used on or around an engine block.
 
IIRC, the O ring is trapped in between the outer flange of the unit, and a smaller flange. When you push the unit into the freeze plug hole (which has a chamfered edge that helps the O ring squeeze in), the O ring is then trapped between the heater body and the freeze plug hole. When they come out, the O ring has been changed into a square cross section though obviously it went in as a round cross section.

What I've done is ordered a couple $6 freeze plugs I can install if this goes sideways. When they come in, I'll pick a day to do the coolant flush, finishing with the block warm and empty and an empty hole in it which I'll clean up carefully. Then if the wings look usable I'll cruise around town looking at O rings of Nitrile that will fit. When I install, I might put a thin layer in the hole to bond the O ring to the hole, then more behind the main flange as it mates full home. Some gush around all edges ti indicate proper coverage without gaps and I'm done Let all that slightly squishy stuff dry slightley. then tighten up the big bolt that mashes it
 
I had a look at the Orings on both heaters I have and they are both the same (orange soft compound) they both come with a small packet of silicone grease for pre-lubricating the Oring stuck to a card that says
WARNING
1.pre-lubricate the main oring using the enclosed silicone grease packet only.
2. Do not use petroleum based grease or oil.
3. Do not overtorque. Max 19 in.lb.
 
I thought Real Men (TM) in ID were not afraid of a little cold...

shouldn't that be true of their rides too...? :D
 
I had a look at the Orings on both heaters I have and they are both the same (orange soft compound) they both come with a small packet of silicone grease for pre-lubricating the Oring stuck to a card that says
WARNING
1.pre-lubricate the main oring using the enclosed silicone grease packet only.
2. Do not use petroleum based grease or oil.
3. Do not overtorque. Max 19 in.lb.

almost sounds like the same material I use on the o-ring for my MAF. It's red/orange in color and silicone based. Good for temps from -65*F ~ +450*F

Not sure if it is OK for coolant contact.
 
The silicone lube may serve two purposes. 1 to ease and ensure proper install and 2 to protect from coolant.
 
I don't recall the orange, think mine were all black from the factory packaging.
 
Marlin,

I've found some cryptic notes tucked into the FSM regarding an O ring measurement. Could you see if these correspond to your O rings? I suspect I measured the last one I installed because I saw the trend with the O rings deteriorating, but having you roughly measure yours and agree these are close will give me the confidence to order some.

OD - 1.39"
ID - 1.18"
Dial caliper of thickness of the round O ring's cross section: .104

I realize these don't add up (they should), and suspect the cross section measurement was easy to get accurate, where the flexy O ring doesn't lend itself to accurate measurement on a caliper. So, if these seem very close to yours, or you can get an accurate measurement of yours then I'll order some to have on hand ASAP.

Thanks in advance.

DougM
 
Doug

The block heater channel/groove that the O-ring sits in measures 31.0mm X 3.0mm

The Oring measures 30.0mm ID
35.0mm OD
and has a cross-sectional dia. of 2.5mm

The Oring may be slightly stretched from sitting in place on the heater in the box since assembly but it still fits snug with a stretch of 1mm to fit.
 
Excellent. I'm off in search....

DougM
 

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