Stupid Mechanic's Tricks/True Confessions 101

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Giving a second thought, you can actually build an easy retractable plier. Get a small piece of tube, like 1/4 inch diameterq, like the AC lines and make a hook with a long wire, pass the wire thru the tube and use the hook to catch the magnet, pull the wire and press the magnet against the tube. Something like this, but with a wire hook instead of a loop

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@MontyAndCruiser,
You are actually correct, there is a front diff cover. Not sure if you have enough clearance to remove the the cover completely to gain access. Much easier then dropping the whole diff tho

Looking at pictures, i'm mostly concerned with him being able to gain access to all the cover bolts. The mount thru-bolt looks cake, it's just whether or not there's a way to get the upper cover bolts. Cleaning up the sealant afterwards to reinstall probably wouldn't be the most fun thing in the world, but i don't particularly like doing that even on parts that aren't currently installed on a vehicle anyways, so i'd call that a wash, vs having to pull the entire diff.
 
Looking at pictures, i'm mostly concerned with him being able to gain access to all the cover bolts. The mount thru-bolt looks cake, it's just whether or not there's a way to get the upper cover bolts. Cleaning up the sealant afterwards to reinstall probably wouldn't be the most fun thing in the world, but i don't particularly like doing that even on parts that aren't currently installed on a vehicle anyways, so i'd call that a wash, vs having to pull the entire diff.

I've been pouring over diagrams and videos all night, planning for tomorrow, and have unfortunately come to the same conclusion. Pulling the differential looks like an all-day funfest for a duffer like me, too, so I'm hoping that between the borescope and lasso-in-a-tube ideas floated by you helpful encouraging folks I can taste success in that fashion. If not, well... guess it's time to take a quantum leap forward in the ever-expanding game of mechanical pursuit.

The only video I've seen of someone removing the front diff from a 4wd Toyota (not even sure what the vehicle was) took two guys and a lot of frustration. I don't have a lift, but I do have have a good floor jack, two heavy duty jack stands, and two lighter-duty jack stands. Low garage ceiling.. I could get the LX maybe 10" off the floor. If any of you can tell me, "Yes, YOU CAN," and "Here's how" via a link or step-by-step, I'd be most grateful.. if it comes to that. For now, Sierra Nevada Hop Hunter and Mr. Beam are being excellent company and consolation.
 
It is a lot of work to remove the front diff. If you can get the cover off with the rest of it in it's normal position, do that. (after trying with a pick or whatever)
 
I've never even looked at my 100 front diff so maybe this doesn't apply, but I have pulled the front diff on my T100, my 4runner, an 07 escalade, and many, many hmmwvs. All of them were a bit of work but it was all pretty simple--righty tighty, lefty loosey. It is very satisfying to slide the diff out from under the truck and set it on the work bench to see what's what. It beats fiddle farting around under a truck 10 times out of 10. Good luck!
 
Did you try using one of these? Pretty cheap and t advanced auto? Do you think maybe pulling the axle might help? Good luck

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I'm willing to wager (your diff, not mine!) that the magnet material is much, much softer than the hardened steel gears in the diff and will just get pulverized into powder.

I would try to figure out which way to rock the truck to get the gears to spit it out instead of sucking it in further. If that fails to dislodge it, I'd probably just fill it up, drive it around the block a couple of times, then change the diff oil again. Maybe change it again after a few hundred miles to be really sure (and replace the drain plug with a new magnetic one, any fragments will stick to it).
 
I'd agree with that, but what would worry me would be the initial "bite" of the big chunk before it got pulverized. Yeah, it'll get crushed and destroyed, but that's a big first chunk. Once it's just particles? Sure, just flush it an extra time then move on.
 
I'd agree with that, but what would worry me would be the initial "bite" of the big chunk before it got pulverized. Yeah, it'll get crushed and destroyed, but that's a big first chunk. Once it's just particles? Sure, just flush it an extra time then move on.


Just spin the diff several times both ways to make sure it can move first, before doing anything.
 
Just spin the diff several times both ways to make sure it can move first, before doing anything.

This. Rotate the front wheels by hand to see if it will dislodge itself or at least get it in a better position that you can reach before you resort to letting the diff pulverize it.
 
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if it gets pulverized, then all the magnet dust will stick to the gears.

That's what I was thinking. That stuff aint gonna flush out. It's just gonna make tiny magnets. I would imagine it would be hell on bearings .
 
Soooo... everyone's probably all a-flutter, wondering how this all turned out. I really can't thank you all enough for pitching in with suggestions so quickly... and not a single "what an idiot" comment!!! What kind of forum is this, anyway? Have I stumbled onto the anti-internet?!?!

After a late, lengthy evening enjoying a quantum of solace and a good night's sleep, I was a bit more relaxed and resigned to the situation; if the diff had to come out, so be it, but I was still hoping it wouldn't. I had enlisted the aid of a good friend of mine who is an absolute ace mechanic; he's the guy the local Mercedes and BMW dealerships call when they can't figure stuff out. He brought over a borescope and pro-mechanic-approved milspec rubberized tablet, neodynumnenckryptonite magnet welded on the end of a flexible cable, flexible grabby thing... and I had the usual assortment of picks, mirrors, and a good intense LED flashlight. Between his expertise and my prayer, it was sure to come out.

An hour later, it was still in there and proclaimed immovable.. and maybe not even identified.. by a pro. Tow it to his shop on Friday, he'll pull the diff out, open it, clean it up, and reassemble it. He's a great friend, but I'd still pay him what the job is worth even though he'd probably argue with me. Plus, he's always way backed up and he'd probably have the car at least a few weeks. I was bummed, resigned, but relaxed.

After he left, I figured I might as well give it some more effort on my own.. .what did I have to lose? Soooo... hibeam LED flashlight in my teeth, mirror in RH, paper clip in LH, under the car I went. Got the mirror at just the right angle.. saw a nice clean silver bolt head that I had THOUGHT was the magnet by feel last night, and had been attracting the paper clip... but only because the magnet was tucked a bit farther in, NEXT to it. I could SEE it!!! I had tried this yesterday, but only with a general lighting LED wand.. not a spot flashlight. THe much better view with the pinpoint spot finally showed me where the magnet was. Tried a bunch of different bends in the paper clip, and what eventually allowed me to dislodge it and work it towards the hole was the "get behind it/lasso" technique some of you mentioned. Once it was dislodged, I slowly worked it towards the fill hole (I still can NOT translate the mirror image in the mirror to the correct motions and directions necessary.. I kept going opposite directions), where it almost self-oriented longitudinally for extraction.. just had to nudge it away from the edge and towards the center of the fill hole. Once there, I was able to grasp it with a pair of extremely slim dental forceps or whatever they're called. Slipped off a couple times, but each time it was a little closer.. until... finally... I had accomplished the impossible. Thank you all, thanks to my friend who showed me how to use a mechanic's mirror properly, and thanks to God... no way this would have happened without any of those.

Bought a new magnetic fill plug, Filled the diff w/ el cheapo 75w90, went for a 10 mile warm up drive, drained, and refilled w/ Royal Purple. Almost no visible residue on the magnet after draining the "flush fill," but better safe than sorry.

Sooooo... a huge thank you. One of these days, I'll learn to pull a diff and rebuild one. Thankfully, TODAY IS NOT THE DAY!!!!

Here's two pics.. one of the offender, showing the chewed off section; the part that is missing was in pieces, but at least visually all the pieces seemed to be still stuck to it magnetically when it came out. The second shows the tools that did the trick, with special honors going to the paper clip on the far right.

Rock thee hard, yon MUDsters.

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I hear a nice golf clap...
 
Right on! I have been following with great interest. Everyone has done something boneheaded and I know I get really pissed at myself. Great suggestions from everyone (with the possible exception of the just let the gears chew up the magnet).
 
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