Question about brakes....

[crazycarl]

200 brakes

you are not the only one. i have a heavily modified 2008 200 series and i am experiencing the same clunk in my drivetrain as well as the braking, i have replaced the brakes already and only have 33k miles. I am very disappointed and i am now considering the sale of my truck ( i never thought i would)

 

[chimyz]

First off...let's see some pics of this "heavily modified" truck. Not fair that you say that but don't share!!!

Second...the clunk goes away with a greasing of the prop shaft (quite a nice experience once the fix is done). The stealership should do this for free as part of their TSB.

Third...I replaced only front pads at 30,000miles, they were only 50% worn, on my modified 200 (did it because I am anal, and had 1/2hr to kill one day). If you experienced different, there may be some other issues. Sounds strange that you would need anything at 33,000 miles.

 

[MCMLXIX]

My friend just picked up a 2005 Sequoia and was complaining about his brakes. He has a 08 or 09 Yukon XL so that is what he's comparing it to.... Did this brake info transfer over as the stock NEW Tundra rotors and calipers being a direct bolt on improvement to fit stock wheels?

Thanks for the info...

 

[JBHorne]

My friend just picked up a 2005 Sequoia and was complaining about his brakes. He has a 08 or 09 Yukon XL so that is what he's comparing it to.... Did this brake info transfer over as the stock NEW Tundra rotors and calipers being a direct bolt on improvement to fit stock wheels?

Thanks for the info...

I'm very interested in this as well. My brakes are at about 40% so I will be replacing them soon.

I'd love to fit the tundra brakes as they are larger. I still have the 18" rims so they should fit. I'd really like to just get the tundra big brake kit.

Obviously the dealership will refuse to install them, but I don't see a risk if they truely bolt on.

 

[bjowett]

The 2005 Sequoia is the earlier chassis that uses the 6 lug pattern, none of the new Tundra parts will bolt on.

The Tundra brakes should bolt on to the 200. The pita (relative) part will be changing the backing plates/splash shields. The front wheel bearings need to be unbolted from the spindles... not a huge deal, no press required or anything like that.

Required...

calipers
rotors
splash sheilds

Possibly required...

hard line - runs from caliper to spindle

 

[JBHorne]

Well I wish you were here in AZ to do this for me. Not sure who I would go to for something like this. As I said the dealership won't touch it for liability reasons. Most of our local brake shops are cheap companies who perform shotty work.

 

[HDJ100L]

So, the question is: does the tundra trd big brake caliper will fit the LC200?
has anyone try to fit it into 200?

 

[JBHorne]

So, the question is: does the tundra trd big brake caliper will fit the LC200??

[STRIKE]Correct.[/STRIKE] Strike that. I just checked and the TRD Big Brake Kit designed for the Tundra will not fit the LC becuase they require 20"+ wheels. No one actually wheeling will ever have 20"+ wheels anyway, so I think the TRD kit is out of the question.

The option left is just to use the components from the Tundra. They only require an 18" rim. The LC's brakes were designed to work with a 17" rim for offroading, hence the size difference between OEM LC and Tundra brakes.

has anyone try to fit it into 200?

Nope!

 

[JBHorne]

Brian,

Can you please send me a link of where I can find a new or used caliper set? I can't seem to find any online...

Also, any update on your rotors yet?

 

[hoser]

How about the ones in post #36 of this thread?

 

[JBHorne]

How about the ones in post #36 of this thread?

Yours are from an 07. I don't believe they are the same as the 08+. Are they not?

Also, I would like to purchase from a company that holds liability for the products they sell. Not a fan of purchasing used brake parts to begin with.

 

[hoser]

07 same as 08. I have the new larger ones. But yeah, No liability though. But these brakes are nearly new.

 

[JBHorne]

07 same as 08. I have the new larger ones. But yeah, No liability those these brakes are nearly new.

So do you only have the fronts?

Brian hinted that the rears might be identical to the 200 and I'd like him to confirm this. If so, I'd obviously only need to upgrade the fronts. (correct???)

If this is the case, I may consider this option.

Thanks!

 

[hoser]

I only have the fronts, one new front OEM brake rotor and the OEM brake pads that are partially worn. I was test fitting them to my 100. No dice and hence the sale. I could try and put them on my 70 but too many projects right now.

 

[bjowett]

The Tundra and 200 front calipers share the same pads, they also have the same piston diameters. The Tundra calipers should work well with the 200 system, pedal travel will remain the same. The front rotors have a torque advantage along with the extra material/mass to absorb and get rid of the heat.

The rear brakes are indentical in all ways but one - the Tundra uses a slightly larger piston in the caliper.

New calipers might be dealer only. You can probably find some take offs... I'll look around for you.

 

[HDJ100L]

[STRIKE]Correct.[/STRIKE] Strike that. I just checked and the TRD Big Brake Kit designed for the Tundra will not fit the LC becuase they require 20"+ wheels. No one actually wheeling will ever have 20"+ wheels anyway, so I think the TRD kit is out of the question.

The option left is just to use the components from the Tundra. They only require an 18" rim. The LC's brakes were designed to work with a 17" rim for offroading, hence the size difference between OEM LC and Tundra brakes.



Nope!

Assuming that i will fit 20 wheel in my 200. does the TRD big brake caliper fit now?

 

[JBHorne]

Assuming that i will fit 20 wheel in my 200. does the TRD big brake caliper fit now?

Assuming that Brian's info is correct regarding the Tundra to LC swap, I would think so. If the OEM Tundra calipers/rotors can bolt onto the LC, then they should work.

Best you could do is buy them and see for yourself. If not, make sure you order from a company that's willing to accept unused returns!

 

[Carl L]

[STRIKE]

The option left is just to use the components from the Tundra. They only require an 18" rim. The LC's brakes were designed to work with a 17" rim for offroading, hence the size difference between OEM LC and Tundra brakes.



Nope!

This logic is off as the 17" TRD wheel is available from the factory for the Tundra. You are over-estimating how much clearance is needed for brakes. A good guide is 3", though I know of a stock rotor and caliper that is 14.2" and is still available from the factory with a 17" rim (2.8" clearance).

Differing calipers mean an exact number cannot be instantly produced for all applications but generally anything less than 2.8" is going to be unworkable while the norm is at least 3" of clearance.

With 17" rims the Tundra has 3.1" of clearance rotor-to-wheel, while the LC has 3.5". Whatever the reasons for the LC's slightly smaller rotors it is not clearance/off-road related and if it were me I'd look to the aftermarket before hoping to discern noticeable improvement from a 0.4" rotor increase especially given that the swept area remains the same. The brakes may stay cool a tad longer under extreme duress (rare unless towing or racing, not the LC's forte) but ultimate stopping power will be unaffected and a fresh set of tires would show bigger gains.

 

[JBHorne]

My problem is that if I step on the brakes, they work very well. It's just that they don't feel as tight as I'd like under normal to moderate braking. It's a smoothness issue. It's hard to slow down uniformly -- you can feel the brakes grab more at the beginnig of a stop then at the end. They feel as if they are heating up (brake fade).

Will the TRD pads work with the LC? Any better pads out there? How about a better/slotten rotor design?

Any other ideas to improve the brakes? The TRD big brake kit however is still out of the question I think with 18" wheels (per the TRD website, requires 20"+ wheels).

 

[Carl L]

My problem is that if I step on the brakes, they work very well. It's just that they don't feel as tight as I'd like under normal to moderate braking. It's a smoothness issue. It's hard to slow down uniformly -- you can feel the brakes grab more at the beginnig of a stop then at the end. They feel as if they are heating up (brake fade).

Will the TRD pads work with the LC? Any better pads out there? How about a better/slotten rotor design?

Any other ideas to improve the brakes? The TRD big brake kit however is still out of the question I think with 18" wheels (per the TRD website, requires 20"+ wheels).

If I remember correctly, the TRD Big brake Kit brakes are 16" in diameter so you may well be able to make them work with 19" rims. 19" rims with a 33" tire, or even better a 34", would still allow a good amount of sidewall for off-roading, though this is dependent on the extent to which you rock-crawl.

They certainly won't fit on an 18" rim but the reason they say 20" only may be because, to the best of my knowledge, Toyota doesn't make a 19" rim with the correct lug pattern.

It would seem odd to have brake fade unless you are repeatedly slowing from high speeds, it sounds like more of a pedal modulation issue. Having a little more disc would help with cooling though so, as described in my last post, you may get some benefit from the .4" increase in diameter.

There's a a plethora of great aftermarket brakes but the problem is finding ones for heavier truck-like applications. Most are aimed at the sports car or sports sedan market so are cross drilled and comparatively thin which makes them unacceptable and prone to cracking on a 7,500lb vehicle especially with a 4,000- 8,500lb trailer out back.

There is a company (name escapes me) that offers 16" aftermarket brakes for the Super Duty but they're an 8-lug design but if we can make the TRD big brake kit work with 19s rather than 20s I'm sure many people would follow suit, though a 17" or 18" wheel is certainly favorable.

It'll be cheap to try the slightly larger Tundra brakes and they WILL fit with the 17s, a touch less rotational mass too if you keep the same height tires.

Good luck.