Quality soft shackle brands recommendation

[kcjaz]

29,700 lb vs. 12,000 minimum breaking strength (Superline vs. Warn Spydura):

The superline weave is a lot tighter and feels like much higher quality. The end loops are a lot bigger too. It’s also $315 vs $189 for a 50’ extension. While the 12,000 lb MBS of the Warn Spydura is probably ok for many situations, I just don’t like it it for a 12,000 lb winch and wish I had done a little more research before I bought it.

 

[bloc]

Look at what UPS delivered today!

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A couple weeks ago I called MasterPull to ask some questions on ratings and differences between there Superline and SuperlinXD winch lines. Emil Bjornsson answered the phone. He happens to be the CEO of MasterPull. He didn't identify himself that way and I had no idea, but it was clear whoever I was talking to was extremely knowledgeable and loved talking recovery gear. I almost couldn't get him off the phone. He was more than happy to answer all my questions. I bet we talked 30 minutes. It became clear during the call that he wasn't just an employee and that he had to have been part of starting the company. I googled him after to confirm.

I went with Superline rather than Suplerline XD mostly because the minimum breaking strength is a little higher than the XD version (29,700 lbs vs. 21,700 lbs). Its also a little less expensive. The XD is more abrasion resistant and they do that by having a rope in a rope. The outer layer is a Dyneema protective jacket. The reason the minimum breaking strength is less is because in order to get the 3/8" OD, the inner rope is less that 3/8". Anyway, I just decided that the better ware resistance wasn't a good trade off for me as my winch line is only used 3 or 4 time a year. After receiving it, it feels like the Superline is more wear resistance that the Warn Spydura I have been using and my Spydure line isn't excessively worn. The Superline should be more wear resistant based on the Dyneema fibers vs the Spectra 1000 that Spydura is made of.

The open soft loop is large and will allow for easy connection to soft shackles and other soft straps that may be wide. The plastic puck thing is cool too. Its removable so if it bothered you as an unnecessary object that could be a projectile you can easily remove it when using the line. Its plastic and pretty lite so its not going to bother me and is way better that the Factor 55 aluminum brick I had on there before.

While I was talking to Emil I asked about his soft shackles as they showed out of stock and there wasn't a price listed. He said that while he has developed these for our market and professional recovery folks, he was afraid he wouldn't be able to sell many with the influx of much cheaper soft shackles flooding the market. His retail price for his shackles is $160. Factor 55's extreme duty 3/8 soft shackle is $90 though it isn't as strong as far as MBS. You can also go to 1/2" shackles and get a lot of strength and not spend $160. I did buy two (and about $1000 of other stuff) and he gave me a discount. I haven't used them but they sure feel like they will last forever. One interesting feature is the sliding knot lock:

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It makes slipping the loop over the knot a lot easier, though sliding the lock to the knot is a thing that you have to remember to do. You need to tighten the figure 8 loop on a normal soft shackle too but that will also self tighten.

It almost doesn’t matter what the topic is, it’s great to talk to someone knowledgeable and passionate about their product. Thanks for posting.

 

[kcjaz]

Installed the Superline and deleted the Flatlink.

 

[kcjaz]

Is it possible to undo an eye splice without just cutting it off and doing another eye splice? I want to remove the metal thimble from my old winch line and make an extension rope out of it.

 

[grinchy]

Is it possible to undo an eye splice without just cutting it off and doing another eye splice? I want to remove the metal thimble from my old winch line and make an extension rope out of it.

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If you can push slack into the splice it may be possible to unwork it. I was able to ‘unsplice’ an eye similar to the pictures, but it came with a loop eye (the sides were not captured), so it was easy to push out the eye. Also that splice had not been weighted.

 

[kcjaz]

If you can push slack into the splice it may be possible to unwork it. I was able to ‘unsplice’ an eye similar to the pictures, but it came with a loop eye (the sides were not captured), so it was easy to push out the eye. Also that splice had not been weighted.

I’m going to FID-el with it (see what I did there?)

 

[nolimits76]

29,700 lb vs. 12,000 minimum breaking strength (Superline vs. Warn Spydura):

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The superline weave is a lot tighter and feels like much higher quality. The end loops are a lot bigger too. It’s also $315 vs $189 for a 50’ extension. While the 12,000 lb MBS of the Warn Spydura is probably ok for many situations, I just don’t like it it for a 12,000 lb winch and wish I had done a little more research before I bought it.

Reviving an old but good thread.

Getting one of the new Warn Zeon XC-14s for my full size truck. It comes with 3/8” Spydura Pro line. I was concerned with this as most winches above the 12k mark come with 7/16” line. Almost optioned for the no winch line option to avoid this confusion but there isn’t much of a savings.

ZEON XC 14-S Winch

For those looking for ZEON performance in a compact shape, the ZEON XC is the one to get. The ZEON XC 14-S offers a whopping 14,000 lbs. of pulling capacity making it great for big 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks, large SUVs, and other large rigs. It offers many of the features of the ZEON XD, such as...

www.warn.com

ZEON XC 14 Winch - No Rope

For those looking for ZEON performance in a compact shape, the ZEON XC is the one to get. The ZEON XC 14 offers a whopping 14,000 lbs. of pulling capacity making it great for big 3/4-ton or 1-ton trucks, large SUVs, and other heavy rigs. It offers many of the features of the ZEON XD, such as...

www.warn.com

There were a couple things I noticed. First there is a Spydura and Spydura Pro. The Pro is stronger. Secondly, often the marketing is based around pulling strength of the winch and not always clear about the MBS.

For instance, Warn Spydura 3/8 rope 88468 says “for Warn winches up to 12,000 pulling capacity”. More confusing is when you click on specifications and it shows 10,000# breaking strength.

Spydura (TM) Synthetic Rope 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 80 ft (24.4M)

WARN Spydura synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

The night line Spydura 102560 reports similar, except there is no specification segment on the Warn website.

Spydura Nightline (TM) Synthetic Rope 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 80 ft (24.4M)

WARN Spydura synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

However, if you look at Spydura Pro 93120 it says it’s good for winches up to 16,500 pulling capacity. But some suppliers show a 24,000 MBS for the Pro. FYI, Clemson is a shop/dealer Warn recommended when I called to verify a few things.

Spydura Pro (TM) Synthetic Rope 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 80 ft (24.4M)

Spydura Pro synthetic rope is 38% stronger than standard Spydura, yet is still lightweight and easy to handle. Plus it has up to twice the breaking strength of the competition. Made with a heat-treated fiber that delivers maximum tensile strength.

www.warn.com

WARN 93120 SPYDURA PRO (TM) SYNTHETIC ROPE 3/8" (9.5MM) X 80' (24.4M) - https://clemson4wheel.com/warn-93120-standard-duty-and-spydura-synthetic-rope-and-extensions?queryID=3724b6ed4c58f77e5e3b2b5c95f49202

To add more confusion to the mix, the Spydura Pro 25’ and 50’ extensions, 93121 & 93122 respectively, both state they are good on winches up to 12,000 capacity.

Spydura Pro Synthetic Rope Extension 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 25 ft (7.62M)

WARN Spydura Pro synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

Spydura Pro (TM) Synthetic Rope Extension 3/8 in (9.5mm) X 50 ft (15.2

WARN Spydura Pro synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

I’m assuming they have some typographical errors on a few pages. I know I discovered a few on the new Zeon XC-12S short drum variation winch. But it just went live last Friday on the Warn site so I wasn’t too surprised. Things like dimensions not right, mounting pattern not correct, winch line lengths report conflicting info, etc. The rep was supposed to let his team know to correct but I see it’s still wrong today.

ZEON XC 12-S Winch for WARN Fully Hidden Kits

If you're buying a WARN Fully Hidden Kit, this is the winch to use. The ZEON XC 12-S For Fully Hidden Kit offers 12,000 lbs. of pulling capacity in a narrow, short-drum configuration. It offers many of the features of the ZEON XD, such as IP68/IP69k waterproofing and excellent performance and...

www.warn.com

While I can give new products a pass on technical errors, the Spydura pages should convey a consistent & reliable message.

 

[kcjaz]

Reviving an old but good thread.

Getting one of the new Warn Zeon XC-14s for my full size truck. It comes with 3/8” Spydura Pro line. I was concerned with this as most winches above the 12k mark come with 7/16” line. Almost optioned for the no winch line option to avoid this confusion but there isn’t much of a savings.

ZEON XC 14-S Winch

For those looking for ZEON performance in a compact shape, the ZEON XC is the one to get. The ZEON XC 14-S offers a whopping 14,000 lbs. of pulling capacity making it great for big 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks, large SUVs, and other large rigs. It offers many of the features of the ZEON XD, such as...

www.warn.com

ZEON XC 14 Winch - No Rope

For those looking for ZEON performance in a compact shape, the ZEON XC is the one to get. The ZEON XC 14 offers a whopping 14,000 lbs. of pulling capacity making it great for big 3/4-ton or 1-ton trucks, large SUVs, and other heavy rigs. It offers many of the features of the ZEON XD, such as...

www.warn.com

There were a couple things I noticed. First there is a Spydura and Spydura Pro. The Pro is stronger. Secondly, often the marketing is based around pulling strength of the winch and not always clear about the MBS.

For instance, Warn Spydura 3/8 rope 88468 says “for Warn winches up to 12,000 pulling capacity”. More confusing is when you click on specifications and it shows 10,000# breaking strength.

Spydura (TM) Synthetic Rope 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 80 ft (24.4M)

WARN Spydura synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

The night line Spydura 102560 reports similar, except there is no specification segment on the Warn website.

Spydura Nightline (TM) Synthetic Rope 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 80 ft (24.4M)

WARN Spydura synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

However, if you look at Spydura Pro 93120 it says it’s good for winches up to 16,500 pulling capacity. But some suppliers show a 24,000 MBS for the Pro. FYI, Clemson is a shop/dealer Warn recommended when I called to verify a few things.

Spydura Pro (TM) Synthetic Rope 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 80 ft (24.4M)

Spydura Pro synthetic rope is 38% stronger than standard Spydura, yet is still lightweight and easy to handle. Plus it has up to twice the breaking strength of the competition. Made with a heat-treated fiber that delivers maximum tensile strength.

www.warn.com

WARN 93120 SPYDURA PRO (TM) SYNTHETIC ROPE 3/8" (9.5MM) X 80' (24.4M) - https://clemson4wheel.com/warn-93120-standard-duty-and-spydura-synthetic-rope-and-extensions?queryID=3724b6ed4c58f77e5e3b2b5c95f49202

To add more confusion to the mix, the Spydura Pro 25’ and 50’ extensions, 93121 & 93122 respectively, both state they are good on winches up to 12,000 capacity.

Spydura Pro Synthetic Rope Extension 3/8 in (9.5Mm) X 25 ft (7.62M)

WARN Spydura Pro synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

Spydura Pro (TM) Synthetic Rope Extension 3/8 in (9.5mm) X 50 ft (15.2

WARN Spydura Pro synthetic rope is constructed with an ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) material that provides tremendous tensile strength and abrasion resistance, and is coated with a protective, high-temperature urethane.

www.warn.com

I’m assuming they have some typographical errors on a few pages. I know I discovered a few on the new Zeon XC-12S short drum variation winch. But it just went live last Friday on the Warn site so I wasn’t too surprised. Things like dimensions not right, mounting pattern not correct, winch line lengths report conflicting info, etc. The rep was supposed to let his team know to correct but I see it’s still wrong today.

ZEON XC 12-S Winch for WARN Fully Hidden Kits

If you're buying a WARN Fully Hidden Kit, this is the winch to use. The ZEON XC 12-S For Fully Hidden Kit offers 12,000 lbs. of pulling capacity in a narrow, short-drum configuration. It offers many of the features of the ZEON XD, such as IP68/IP69k waterproofing and excellent performance and...

www.warn.com

While I can give new products a pass on technical errors, the Spydura pages should convey a consistent & reliable message.

I went with Masterpull:

Superline Winch Line | 3/8" (10mm)

Master Pull manufactures high performance vehicle recovery equipment and rigging for a wide range of applications, from recreational off-road to heavy duty military and industrial use.

www.masterpull.com