I can't make anything. The facts are the facts...and the newspapers speak for themselves.
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I can't make anything. The facts are the facts...and the newspapers speak for themselves.
i am willing to bet she drives a forrester(i would be remissed to leave out the bumper stickers), wears birkenstocks, eats granola, doesnt shave and shops a trader joe's.....as for political stance, beats the hell out of me
thinks nature is like the Disney channel presents it...
Oh come on now, if it's on television, then ya know it's true,.........like the news!!
All of the above is true. Liberal or conservative, stupid is as stupid does. Who was the chic who went hiking in heeled shoes and started the fire that burned much of the Rim country? She wasn't from around here. She burned out several towns.
Who was the clown from Yuma who almost burned down Crown King? Another idiot.
Why do we allow people from the midwest and the northwest to buy land, and then we pay to prevent natural fires from burning their homes in places where they shouldn't be building in the first place? The forest is what it is. We shouldn't be selling land or building there. There are plenty of valleys where construction is cheaper, and fire danger is lower.
Forrest Gump may not have been one of the smartest of movie characters, but he had some wisdom. His line,"Stupid is" holds a lot of truth.
Those who are familiar with the area in NAZ tend to build in the low and flat areas where fire danger is low. We call pine trees "tiki-torches" for a reason. If they are near your home, then your home will eventually burn. Nature demands it. You had better not keep the family photo albums at home.
It is true that there are many 100-year-old homes in forest areas. Every one of them is next to the old foundations of one that was burned out in a fire long ago. But it won't happen to us!
Arrogant is as arrogance does! Go for it if you are fool enough!
Who was the clown from Yuma who almost burned down Crown King? Another idiot.
Why do we allow people from the midwest and the northwest to buy land, and then we pay to prevent natural fires from burning their homes in places where they shouldn't be building in the first place? The forest is what it is. We shouldn't be selling land or building there. There are plenty of valleys where construction is cheaper, and fire danger is lower.
Forrest Gump may not have been one of the smartest of movie characters, but he had some wisdom. His line,"Stupid is" holds a lot of truth.
Those who are familiar with the area in NAZ tend to build in the low and flat areas where fire danger is low. We call pine trees "tiki-torches" for a reason. If they are near your home, then your home will eventually burn. Nature demands it. You had better not keep the family photo albums at home.
It is true that there are many 100-year-old homes in forest areas. Every one of them is next to the old foundations of one that was burned out in a fire long ago. But it won't happen to us!
Arrogant is as arrogance does! Go for it if you are fool enough!
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Most of us who are willing to pay the cost of a vehicle that can cover the backroads are willing to respect those areas. There is a small minority that doesn't. We do not respect that minority.
Amoung the LC groups, and other off-road truck gangs, I see a strong tendency to pick up litter and to clean up any place where we are. We do not tolerate trash in the forest. This is as it should be.
Degredation of trails, littering, excessive spinning of tires, contributions to erosion, and other damages are not acceptable. How hard is that to understand?
Those who do not respect the rules run the gamut. Many are the owners of Quads or ATV's. Some others drive Jeeps or pickups. IMHO no one who disrespects a trail belongs on the trail.
The State is now requiring a tag for every vehicle that uses any trail. All unlicenced ATV's and trailered 4x4s must have a decal. While I see this as necessary, I see it as a sad commentary about personal responsibility. Why can't people have fun with the toys, drink afterwards, and pick up the litter when it is time to go home? How hard is that? We did it for years! It worked really well! It is not that hard!
Where is the problem???
Amoung the LC groups, and other off-road truck gangs, I see a strong tendency to pick up litter and to clean up any place where we are. We do not tolerate trash in the forest. This is as it should be.
Degredation of trails, littering, excessive spinning of tires, contributions to erosion, and other damages are not acceptable. How hard is that to understand?
Those who do not respect the rules run the gamut. Many are the owners of Quads or ATV's. Some others drive Jeeps or pickups. IMHO no one who disrespects a trail belongs on the trail.
The State is now requiring a tag for every vehicle that uses any trail. All unlicenced ATV's and trailered 4x4s must have a decal. While I see this as necessary, I see it as a sad commentary about personal responsibility. Why can't people have fun with the toys, drink afterwards, and pick up the litter when it is time to go home? How hard is that? We did it for years! It worked really well! It is not that hard!
Where is the problem???
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Interesting that a person like this can make a rant like that. It is obvious that she has no idea why we to the places we go. Like most of the people I know, we are usually in very remote areas and we are there because of the beauty of the area. We don't tear it up because we want to go back and enjoy it another day. And... we always take out what ever trash we create. We've only been wheeling for a little over a year. We have seen incredable beauty in places I never thought we'd see and we want to do all we can to preserve these areas.
Sadly, some who read rants like hers agree with out having any idea why we go where we go...
Sadly, some who read rants like hers agree with out having any idea why we go where we go...
Better question for the paper is: why do you give nut jobs a platform from which to spew their venom?
Because that's part of what our forefathers fought for...free speech. However newspapers have never been unbiased, ever.
Really the truth is that there are more people fighting against public access than for it and they're much more organized and vocal. It's also about image, we are fighting 20 "nature" channels, multiple magazines and newspapers, plus 1,000's of "environmentalists" each day. We on the other hand spend 99% of out talking time discussing birfields, bumpers, and what type of oil to run. (myself included) Maybe if spent more time on the political side we could start to sway the "regular public" who are mostly typical jelly headed Americans who will believe the person speaking either the loudest or the most often. Honestly, if it wasn't for hunters, mining companies, and loggers we would be all forced onto private land by now. Simply put as good as the BRC is it's not enough.
Funny story...I was wathing this video on the Vikings and their migration through the UK to Iceland, Greenland, and then North America. The narrator mention how there were grapes growing in Newfoundland. My son asked how since it was so cold and then a minute later they went into how during the 7th and 8th century the Earth was a much warmer place. In many areas now covered in ice flows there were open bays and fjords. Hmmm hows that possible without greenhouse emissions? I thought the past 50 years of global warming was the only time in the 6 billion year history of the Earth glaciers receded. The only time when the median temps rose.
Now I'm not saying we are not impacting the world, but any issue can be blown up by proper media usage.
And remember as Mr. Paine once stated, "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead"
another example of closed minded people trying to "win" their argument with guerilla tactics. This example includes nuclear power but could be substituted with any topic.
I thought this was a good read, who hasn't seen this tactic used over and over. It absolutely ruins any worthwhile debate/conversation.
Pro Nuclear Democrats: The "Carpet Bombing" Argument Method
I thought this was a good read, who hasn't seen this tactic used over and over. It absolutely ruins any worthwhile debate/conversation.
Pro Nuclear Democrats: The "Carpet Bombing" Argument Method
Typical environmental nutjob drivel. She must be from the art side of campus with dreads and no deodorant driving around in her 'smart' car or whatever.
Most likely she has been frightened by a giant 4x4 on her rear bumper in traffic and this is how she can retaliate.
She has no idea that we respect wilderness more than she can comprehend since we actually go there.
Most likely she has been frightened by a giant 4x4 on her rear bumper in traffic and this is how she can retaliate.
She has no idea that we respect wilderness more than she can comprehend since we actually go there.
Free speech applies only to public expression. Newpapers, internet sites, this forum, and any privately owned enterprise has every right to dictate the content of every post, article or any other form of expression.
News outlets have a responsibility to the public and to their own best interest to remain as unbiased as possible. Granted, they don't always succeed. Posting slanted, narrow minded and vicious drivel written by one highly biased citizen is not responsible journalism.
Actually, that *is* freedom of speech
Actually, to split the hairs, the freedom of speech is being expressed by the publisher of said newspaper/online/etc. *Their* freedom of speech. To misquote "Freedom isn't free, it costs a $1.05" free speech and free lunch are not synonyms. You as a citizen are allowed to publish your opinion, but you don't have publish someone elses opinion at your cost.
Glenn in Tucson
Actually, to split the hairs, the freedom of speech is being expressed by the publisher of said newspaper/online/etc. *Their* freedom of speech. To misquote "Freedom isn't free, it costs a $1.05" free speech and free lunch are not synonyms. You as a citizen are allowed to publish your opinion, but you don't have publish someone elses opinion at your cost.
Glenn in Tucson
There has never been and never will be an unbiased news outlet. It doesn't sell. CNN vs. Fox is a great example. People don't want to hear the truth or reality, they (meaning average Joe) want to be hearded like sheep in one direction or the other, it justifies their existence. If someone voted for Obama they want to hear how the "recession is over" and "cash for clunkers was a great idea". If they voted for McCain they want "national debt triples in 6 months!" and "cash for clunkers is one step away from socialism". What they don't want is the truth....We are a materialistic society that has lost the ability to do anything but spend on consumer goods built elsewhere. And if the cycle of spending breaks we can't figure out how to start it again. We are a society that only makes money from other peoples money that has been and always will be controlled by the elite rich. Unless their money spurs the economy it doesn't go. This is the basis of all decisions our government makes. Why are we bailing out Car comanpanies but yet they close down plant after plant. Wall Street matters NOT the person working the line in our goverment's eyes.
-thus my sig line holds true...
Wow...off on a bit of a tanget there!
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aw come on not only is she from cali, she is the one who buys the house next to the freeway an complains about the noise, ya cant fix stupid
I really dislike those people... or they move next to the 100-year-old dairy and then enact legislation to get it shut down!
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I can see her cussin' a mountain lion for killing a fluffy baby rabbit!
There has never been and never will be an unbiased news outlet. It doesn't sell. CNN vs. Fox is a great example. People don't want to hear the truth or reality, they (meaning average Joe) want to be hearded like sheep in one direction or the other, it justifies their existence. If someone voted for Obama they want to hear how the "recession is over" and "cash for clunkers was a great idea". If they voted for McCain they want "national debt triples in 6 months!" and "cash for clunkers is one step away from socialism". What they don't want is the truth....We are a materialistic society that has lost the ability to do anything but spend on consumer goods built elsewhere. And if the cycle of spending breaks we can't figure out how to start it again. We are a society that only makes money from other peoples money that has been and always will be controlled by the elite rich. Unless their money spurs the economy it doesn't go. This is the basis of all decisions our government makes. Why are we bailing out Car comanpanies but yet they close down plant after plant. Wall Street matters NOT the person working the line in our goverment's eyes.
-thus my sig line holds true...
Wow...off on a bit of a tanget there!
Jezuz, what color is the sky in your world?
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Marmalade...and there's tangerine trees, cellophane flowers of yellow and green, even rocking horse people eating marshmallow pies!
It's not a bad look at the state of affairs just a realistic one. Money rules society not ideals or wishful thinking. It's how people (I hate coffee in general) can by a $4 cup of coffee from a company that sources it's coffee from a place that needs a theraputic feeding center for the starving workers that pick it and feel totally happy about it. And if that same company offered me a position in the corporate HQ I'd take it.
It's not a bad look at the state of affairs just a realistic one. Money rules society not ideals or wishful thinking. It's how people (I hate coffee in general) can by a $4 cup of coffee from a company that sources it's coffee from a place that needs a theraputic feeding center for the starving workers that pick it and feel totally happy about it. And if that same company offered me a position in the corporate HQ I'd take it.
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There's no doubt that money rules. Have you ever seen a poor politician? I'll bet that even the Political Preachers like Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Jesse Jackson, have never had to eat "ketchup sandwiches".