Seems to me that you need to spend a bucket load of money on a 6 cylinder to come near a V8. The V8 leaves a dt/ft/ fte behind as a 1HDT does to a 2H turbo
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Seems to me that you need to spend a bucket load of money on a 6 cylinder to come near a V8. The V8 leaves a dt/ft/ fte behind as a 1HDT does to a 2H turbo
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Seems to me that you need to spend a bucket load of money on a 6 cylinder to come near a V8. The V8 leaves a dt/ft/ fte behind as a 1HDT does to a 2H turbo
Initial cost, sourcing a motor, electronics and common rail make the engine unsuitable.
Yes I get that point however I am not aware of his budget yet. Maybe I missed that.
But the V8 diesel stock without a decent exhaust just leaves any of the stock 6 cylinder motors for dead. I would rather drive a stock V8 than any of the 6s.
If it is only about power go for a supercharged petrol V8/ V10.
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Thanks, I'll look further into the 1HZ/HD injection.. It's a shame the 1HD's are still so expensive or they would definitely be more viable.
Yep, aware of the process for bio and long term problems that can occur. Have been hustling local restaurant owners in my area and it looks like we will be starting a co-op to undermine the large oil collection company that has monopolised the local market. A great start on the fuel side and means I will be able to set up the larger systems I would like for the SVO/Bio
Now for more reading on Bio performance..
Hey User Name, (thats an odd username btw), Im guessing that the list has narrowed down to the cummins, awesometacular toyota 12ht/1hd-t/1hd-ft, and the missan td42 soot blower.
If living in the states the cummins would prolly have to be the best choise due to availability, parts, price etc. but since you are here in straya the latter two brands would have to be the easiest to get a hold of.
Question, will you be wanting intercooling? If so air/air or water/air? I know a fella on this forum that makes a very efficient pie warmer for the tojo
There is also another aussie member called gbentink that has a lot of info on the 12ht and the mods available, (injector pump, turbo, boring and stroking, running on veggie oil etc) he is a true hacker that would be your best bet to send a p.m. to.
Here is a pic of my injector lines over the intake manifold to show why increasing capacity would be prohibitive, unless you know of someone who could make up new injector lines for the right price? I would be first in line for a set.
If living in the states the cummins would prolly have to be the best choise due to availability, parts, price etc. but since you are here in straya the latter two brands would have to be the easiest to get a hold of.
Question, will you be wanting intercooling? If so air/air or water/air? I know a fella on this forum that makes a very efficient pie warmer for the tojo
There is also another aussie member called gbentink that has a lot of info on the 12ht and the mods available, (injector pump, turbo, boring and stroking, running on veggie oil etc) he is a true hacker that would be your best bet to send a p.m. to.
Here is a pic of my injector lines over the intake manifold to show why increasing capacity would be prohibitive, unless you know of someone who could make up new injector lines for the right price? I would be first in line for a set.
oops sorry forgot to include this link to answer your question on intake mods
https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tec...1365-1hd-t-intake-manifold-modifications.html
https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tec...1365-1hd-t-intake-manifold-modifications.html
How about one of the Diesels used in the Isuzu trucks? They seem to be popping up here in the US in some Land Cruiser Diesel conversions, and are relatively inexpensive. I would think you could get some decent power from their 5.7 and 6.3 Litre six cylinder TDs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Isuzu_engines
The 6BD1T is a 6-cylinder version of the 4BD1T and displaces 5.7 litres.
The 6BG1T is a 6-cylinder version of the 4BG1T and displaces 6.3 litres.
The 6HK1 is a SOHC 24V turbocharged engine with 200-300 HP (149-224 KW) and 700–1,160 N·m (520–860 lb·ft) of torque.
Wheeled with two Diesel conversions at Moab this year, one a Cummins, another an Isuzu. The Isuzu definitely was much more refined and seemed to produce very usable power...the Cummins made plenty of power, but definitely was more of a brute (and noisy).
Steve
The Isuzu motors are very reliable, and I reckon have plenty of power potential. But the problem is they're big, I reckon you'd struggle to fit the 6b motors in a cruiser or patrol while keeping the radiator in there. The 6h motors are bigger again.
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Yep, if staying local the toyo's and TD42 are top of the list. Funnily enough the cummins looks like it will be cheaper even after import. Will definitely want to be intercooling.
With the injector lines over the manifold, is it not possible for you guys to move them?
PS. What's a pie warmer?
They can get very decent figures, we have some great tuners over here.
Gotta love what the dune racers in the United Arab Emirates pump out of them though.
A bit off topic I know, but found a pic of a cummins drag racer apparently running 100 psi boost with 2500 hp
Gotta love what the dune racers in the United Arab Emirates pump out of them though.
A bit off topic I know, but found a pic of a cummins drag racer apparently running 100 psi boost with 2500 hp
Yeah, not saying it can't be done, cummins 6bt is pretty big as well and I've heard/read of people putting them in cruisers. But they are big. If the Isuzu 6b is similar sized to the 6bt then I would much prefer the Isuzu.
Not many people would be wanting a td42 in their cruiser I'm thinking, but I don't think that's what you're talking about. If you're thinking about doing performance diesels in general then you'll have to get familiar the most common ones that people want to get more power out of-cruisers and patrols in Australia
Do you have a link?
Curious if an engine can still be a candidate for you if it's direct injection? If not it helps the selection a lot. All the 1HD-T/FT/FTE are DI. The only modern (read newer not necessarily modern technology) Landcruiser Toyota diesel that is indirect injection is the 1HZ. The 1HZ does, as mentioned before, have a rotary pump however.
Any Toyota diesel engine with a "1" in front of it stands for direct injection (13BT, 12HT, 15BT) while its counterparts would be indirect injection (3B, 2H, etc). The exception to this is the 1HZ.
I get the sense you are feeling the waters for info and don't necessarily have a set budget and other details set in place. Leaving things like that out can keep a thread interesting since it just keeps it to the engine tech and what's "best" for performance while on SVO. A consideration is what Landcruiser model will you perhaps stuff an engine into? The engine bay in my 70 series is tight compared to my old HJ61 and from what I gather there is more space above the engine and on the sides in and 80 series compared to the narrow body 70 series too. A 70 series seems similar in engine bay space to a 40 series, not a surprise, but even still 6BT and more so 4BT cummins have been stuffed in 40's numerous times before.
Any Toyota diesel engine with a "1" in front of it stands for direct injection (13BT, 12HT, 15BT) while its counterparts would be indirect injection (3B, 2H, etc). The exception to this is the 1HZ.
I get the sense you are feeling the waters for info and don't necessarily have a set budget and other details set in place. Leaving things like that out can keep a thread interesting since it just keeps it to the engine tech and what's "best" for performance while on SVO. A consideration is what Landcruiser model will you perhaps stuff an engine into? The engine bay in my 70 series is tight compared to my old HJ61 and from what I gather there is more space above the engine and on the sides in and 80 series compared to the narrow body 70 series too. A 70 series seems similar in engine bay space to a 40 series, not a surprise, but even still 6BT and more so 4BT cummins have been stuffed in 40's numerous times before.
I think if your starting from scratch seriously look at a 1hd-t or an ft. I don't know in the end if its worth it to even go for a 24 valve over a 12.
Unless you have access to cheap 1hz or td42s.
Graeme always talks about building a performance 1hz. I think along with a few others that the 1hz can take the abuse like a td42 and keep ticking. Others will disagree. Zoltan on the forum is beating the s*** out of his 1hz with over 30lbs of boost and its still kicking ass. Not to mention the 1hz is in abundance in Australia and you could probably get cheap replacements if you really want to push some limits
I think most guys build up the td42 because I think they are better suit for comp trucks. Coil suspension is the big one I think. They are also cheaper in comparison to cruisers.
Unless you have access to cheap 1hz or td42s.
Graeme always talks about building a performance 1hz. I think along with a few others that the 1hz can take the abuse like a td42 and keep ticking. Others will disagree. Zoltan on the forum is beating the s*** out of his 1hz with over 30lbs of boost and its still kicking ass. Not to mention the 1hz is in abundance in Australia and you could probably get cheap replacements if you really want to push some limits
I think most guys build up the td42 because I think they are better suit for comp trucks. Coil suspension is the big one I think. They are also cheaper in comparison to cruisers.
But it's okay to install a dodge cummins, an Isuzu, chev and the like? The older patrols in the US often have landcruiser running gear put in them, granted mostly for parts availability. Why can't it go the other way around? If its the right price and proves to be a good engine why not? If he was a Toyota purest I don't think he would be considering the other options.
If the rivalries in Aus are that strong between Patrol and Landcruiser then perhaps use a Patrol platform if you go the TD42 route.