Overdrive & PTO Winch

[FloridaLife]

If able to find one, can you run something like a Fairey Overdrive unit AND still be able to use the PTO wench, or does the Overdrive unit get in the was of the PTO shaft that runs up to the wench?

Thank you

 

[charliemeyer007]

I think the Ranger unit went between the tranny and engine, so you would need longer shafts. It could be had as an underdrive in case you are a rock crawler. I think you would be much better off going for modern stuff you can find and get parts for in case something leaks or brakes. 5 or 6 sp tranny would be a good start.

 

[Living in the Past]

Not sure but believe the Ranger unit was made to go between a V8 and Toyota four speed.

Not all Fairey overdrive came with the PTO gear. If for a three it most likely will have one but 100%. Like Toyota Fairey did have a spacer that replaced the PTO gear.

Do a H55F five speed will require split transfer case which uses a different PTO unit. Those were never imported to the US market and much harder to find. Those were available early a two direction then a single direction. This reversed the cable direction and the winch itself used a different worm gear. Just as something else you need when sourcing one.

On aftermarket transmissions to a Toyota transfer case need to be sure the adapter has a full length output shaft in the transfer case. Without that you will not have the option of of installing a PTO gear inside the transfer case.

 

[FloridaLife]

I think the Ranger unit went between the tranny and engine, so you would need longer shafts. It could be had as an underdrive in case you are a rock crawler. I think you would be much better off going for modern stuff you can find and get parts for in case something leaks or brakes. 5 or 6 sp tranny would be a good start.

Thank you.

 

[sogafarm]

Sorry to sidetrack a bit but does the pto and transfer case share the same hydraulic oil. In other words can you fill up the pto and the fluid will wind up in the transfer case or are they sealed up in between. I’ve got a stripped transfer case fill bolt that I can’t get out and was wondering if I could fill from the pto fill bolt location. It’s a Ramsey pto. Thanks for any help.

 

[charliemeyer007]

The old units used gear oil.

 

[sogafarm]

The old units used gear oil.

Do both cases share the same chamber?

 

[FloridaLife]

Sorry to sidetrack a bit but does the pto and transfer case share the same hydraulic oil. In other words can you fill up the pto and the fluid will wind up in the transfer case or are they sealed up in between. I’ve got a stripped transfer case fill bolt that I can’t get out and was wondering if I could fill from the pto fill bolt location. It’s a Ramsey pto. Thanks for any help.

Great question. I would like to know too.

 

[charliemeyer007]

There is a big opening for the gears to mesh. I think the Toyota pto has its own drain plug due to the low part of the case but I think the oil is shared. Not sure about your Ram. Drill and tap the drain plug for a new bolt to remove it. You could also weld a nut to it.

 

[sogafarm]

There is a big opening for the gears to mesh. I think the Toyota pto has its own drain plug due to the low part of the case but I think the oil is shared. Not sure about your Ram. Drill and tap the drain plug for a new bolt to remove it. You could also weld a nut to it.

Thanks, yes there are separate drain and fill plugs on both units. I haven’t been able to find a replacement fill plug so I have been hesitant to drill the original one out without a new one. Both fill plugs are at the same elevation so I will drain the pto side and see how much oil comes out.

 

[FloridaLife]

Thanks, yes there are separate drain and fill plugs on both units. I haven’t been able to find a replacement fill plug so I have been hesitant to drill the original one out without a new one. Both fill plugs are at the same elevation so I will drain the pto side and see how much oil comes out.

Agreed. You could drill and tap, or the easy way, like said above, would be to weld a nut to the bottom of it and use the right size & thread of bolt to put in it and there you go, new plug.

 

[mrboatman]

Yes they use and share the same oil. Fill the transfer case and it fills the pto.

 

[Mark W]

If able to find one, can you run something like a Fairey Overdrive unit AND still be able to use the PTO wench, or does the Overdrive unit get in the was of the PTO shaft that runs up to the wench?

Thank you

The mythical Fairey OD hangs on the ass end of the T/C and will not interfere with giving your wench the shaft.

I personally have never seen one that has a provision for the PTO gear. Some may have. Don't know. Unlike most people, I have in fact seen a few Faireys and even handled them (Faireys... not fairys).

The Ranger OD mounts ahead of the transmission and other than requiring the lengthening the PTO driveshaft to your WINCH it has no effect on the PTO system.

Mark...

 

[Mark W]

Sorry to sidetrack a bit but does the pto and transfer case share the same hydraulic oil. In other words can you fill up the pto and the fluid will wind up in the transfer case or are they sealed up in between. I’ve got a stripped transfer case fill bolt that I can’t get out and was wondering if I could fill from the pto fill bolt location. It’s a Ramsey pto. Thanks for any help.

Think about it for a second. The PTO drive unit mounts to the side of the T/C after you take off that great big side cover. You bolt the drive unit into that great big widow and the gears stick through the great big space there. It would be impossible for them to run different lubricants because as soon as you filled the case, they would mix.

(Gear oil, not hydraulic fluid. They are both oils, but that is about the end of any similarity.)

Edit: Just noticed that you said that you have have a Ramsey PTO drive. I've got one around here somewhere, but it has been forever since I looked at it. IIRC, it may bolt to the back of the T'C like the Toyota fire truck pump PTOs? But, still the same situation... The gear oil would mix and you can not run two different fluids in there.


Mark...

 

[sogafarm]

So went under and took a pic and looks like a Toyota PTO attachment to the transfer case but has the Ramsey winch.

 

[Living in the Past]

The mythical Fairey OD hangs on the ass end of the T/C and will not interfere with giving your wench the shaft.

I personally have never seen one that has a provision for the PTO gear. Some may have. Don't know. Unlike most people, I have in fact seen a few Faireys and even handled them (Faireys... not fairys).

The Ranger OD mounts ahead of the transmission and other than requiring the lengthening the PTO driveshaft to your WINCH it has no effect on the PTO system.

Mark...

Thought the Ranger was used between V8 and Toyota H41/H42. Unless you had a Marks out of Australia V8 adapter you were going to have to change driveshafts lengths regardless if had a Ranger or not.

Fairey OD isn't that mythical.

Believe I've had everything Fairey for at least thirty years. Was already discontinued and thru a friend acquired a major LC specialty company's supply of parts. Because the lack of parts availablity they were no longer working on them. Certain parts like needle bearings have tons of them. Other wear parts very limited supply. I know Mark A. Had some PTO gears. Think I sold one at some point and not selling what I have left.

Having a PTO gearwas the same as a regular one piece case. If it had no PTO gear installed a spacer needed to installed. Not sure all three speed ODs had the PTO gear like three speed case. The ones I've. all had one. But every four speed OD came with a spacer. Unlike the regular one piece transfer case the PTO gear and spacer were the same on the OD. Didn't matter if the transmission output shaft was ten spline or sixteen spline. That is because it's located next to output gear not on the transmission tailshaft.

Unlike the one piece transfer case OD the split case transfer case OD replaced back half the transfer case and a PTO was no longer an option.

 

[DesertFJ40]

Yes, it can be done. A guy I know locally has the pto winch and fairey overdrive installed in his 72fj40. It's been a long while since I last saw him and never took picture of his set up.

 

[Mark W]

Thought the Ranger was used between V8 and Toyota H41/H42. Unless you had a Marks out of Australia V8 adapter you were going to have to change driveshafts lengths regardless if had a Ranger or not.

Fairey OD isn't that mythical.
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Believe I've had everything Fairey for at least thirty years. Was already discontinued and thru a friend acquired a major LC specialty company's supply of parts. Because the lack of parts availablity they were no longer working on them. Certain parts like needle bearings have tons of them. Other wear parts very limited supply. I know Mark A. Had some PTO gears. Think I sold one at some point and not selling what I have left.

Yup, I agree. The ranger was designed for the Chevy or Ford engine swap. You would have had to cludge up some other adoctors to actually put a toyota engine in front of it not to mention the length would have been problematic. I kind of lost sight of the fact that florida got here was looking to do it with his stock engine.

Cool that you have some parts left for the Fairey. I had somebody contact me recently looking for an input gear. I think george may have sent him to me. Seemed like he had already tried everyone else that they could think of.

I've actually got one complete unit on hand, here, sans the input gear which is trashed.

Mark.

 

[FloridaLife]

The mythical Fairey OD hangs on the ass end of the T/C and will not interfere with giving your wench the shaft.

I personally have never seen one that has a provision for the PTO gear. Some may have. Don't know. Unlike most people, I have in fact seen a few Faireys and even handled them (Faireys... not fairys).

The Ranger OD mounts ahead of the transmission and other than requiring the lengthening the PTO driveshaft to your WINCH it has no effect on the PTO system.

Mark...

Interesting. I wonder which OD is better, AND I wonder how big of a pain it is to lengthen that PTO shaft? Did you ever come up with a price for the OEM Toyota "winch"?

And, how much for the wenches? LOL

 

[charliemeyer007]

Lengthening the PTO shaft should be easy enough, it's low speed, low balance or straight requirement, just needs to strong enough to supply the torque.