OEM Wheel Lug Dimensions

[duger]

I am having trouble to pin down the exact dimension for OEM wheel lugs on 200 series. So far, I have: M14 X 1.5 and PCD 5 X 150. OEM wheels are alloy - so alloy lugs, right? I get confused on whether they're acorns, etc. Finally, any suggestion on brand - excluding Toyota?

Apologies in advance if this is buried somewhere in the forum...

 

[LBridges]

The 5X150 numbers are the number and size of the bolt hole circle in the wheel itself.

The M14X1.5 refers to the size and coarse/fine thread of the lug nuts (see pic above for difference in coarse and fine thread 14mm bolts).

The lug nuts are NOT of an alloy like the wheels. The lug nuts are a steel alloy, not an aluminum alloy.

The wheels take what Toyota calls a 14mm conical seat lug. They look like these from Amazon (I couldn't find a good pic of the TRD product).

I think McGard used to make some of the lugs for Toyota so they should be trustworthy.

Post is maybe way off base from what you were asking, hope this works.

EDIT: Deleted text to be in line with what bloc posted below.

 

[Bunga]

The McGuard ones are really superior quality. Both stock and aftermarket with the captive washer..

 

[bloc]

The above info about acorn lugnuts is not correct!!

All US 200-series come with a washer-style lug that is a combination of a couple technologies. It uses a spinning flat washer to provide the clamping force and a cylinder that protrudes into tight holes in the wheel face to line everything up and keep the wheel on the same rotational axis as the hub. These lugs do have a tapered end that I seem to remember makes them compatible with steel wheels with tapered seats that come as a spare in some markets, but cone-seat lugs will not fit factory 200 wheels.

This odd washer/cylinder setup is needed because toyota doesn’t put steel inserts into their alloy wheels anymore, like they did on the early 80s that had true acorn lugs.

I’m attaching a picture of what our lugs look like.

All of that said.. the info about thread size and pitch, and rock warrior lugs is correct.

 

[LBridges]

@bloc - thanks for the correction.

Haven't removed the lugs from the HE wheels and since I can't confirm, I really probably shouldn't have said anything about the BBS wheels like I did above. I will make an edit to correct that.

thanks again bloc.

 

[gaijin]

The above info about acorn lugnuts is not correct!!

All US 200-series come with a washer-style lug that is a combination of a couple technologies. It uses a spinning flat washer to provide the clamping force and a cylinder that protrudes into tight holes in the wheel face to line everything up and keep the wheel on the same rotational axis as the hub. These lugs do have a tapered end that I seem to remember makes them compatible with steel wheels with tapered seats that come as a spare in some markets, but cone-seat lugs will not fit factory 200 wheels.

This odd washer/cylinder setup is needed because toyota doesn’t put steel inserts into their alloy wheels anymore, like they did on the early 80s that had true acorn lugs.

I’m attaching a picture of what our lugs look like.


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All of that said.. the info about thread size and pitch, and rock warrior lugs is correct.

This info from @bloc is absolutely correct.

For the 17" TRD Rock Warrior wheels, a different lug nut is required - it looks like this:

This lug nut is made by McGard for Toyota and has a rotating mating surface so that there is no galling or abrasion when tightening to the required 97 ft-lb torque. This rotating surface serves the same purpose as the washer on the OEM-style lugs.

Here is a picture of the RW lug and wheel:

The washer style OEM lugs can not be used on the Rock Warrior wheels, and the RW lugs can not be used on the OEM wheels.

HTH

 

[duger]

Thanks everyone! I bought the bronze BBS wheels for 200 series and want to make sure I get the right lugs. Planning that they will cross over with existing but will do more research.

Looks like this lug "fits" both trims: 1998-2020 Toyota Alloy Wheels - 1 lug nut per 90942-01103 | TRDShop.com

 

[Bunga]

Doesn't BBS use the aftermarket lug? The TRD lug shown in the link is only for standard factory rims. See the flat face on it vs the taper of the lugs shown in the picture just above. The rock warriors are like the aftermarket rims, uses the non-standard lug. Keep in mind stud thread length is also an issue. My aftermarket rims required a special extended thread lug.

 

[bloc]

TRD Pro/heritage wheels take the same lug as stock wheels. You can clearly see the flat surface the washer seats against in the video Eric posted of the TRD wheel options.

OEM/TRD Wheel Options for 200-series Cruisers

forum.ih8mud.com

 

[LBridges]

The Heritage lugs are black.

TRD Pro are chrome?

 

[OptimusPrime]

I'm currently setting up a set of 18-hole Tundra steelies (picture attached) for use on my 2008. Can anyone point me toward an Amazon listing for the specific lug nuts I'll need? Seems like Gorilla-brand is a safe bet? I know they need to be acorn-style, but I'm having trouble determining the right size...

 

[CharlieS]

The Heritage lugs are black.

TRD Pro are chrome?

The TRD black lugs are PVD coated. PT076-0C200-02

 

[hankinid]

Be aware of higher torque, around 140 ft-lb, for nuts on steel wheels.

 

[4wheelgreg]

Just ordered the Black McGaurd with tapered rotating cones , extra 4 lugs to replace the locks ... I hate the wheel locks considering Mcguard uses there own install tool its plenty secure . I also ordered a extra Tool just in case .

 

[KY Longhunter]

I just had a flat on the interstate. Went from 40 psi to 0 psi in about 1 mile. This was a BFG on Rock Warrior. I have the RW lug nuts.

Changed it myself using factory kit.

However, my spare is not a Rock Warrior (bought an extra RW, but never bought a tire for it).

Can I use my RW lug nuts on OEM spare?

I didn’t have any with me, so used the RW lug nuts. Is that safe?

 

[bloc]

I just had a flat on the interstate. Went from 40 psi to 0 psi in about 1 mile. This was a BFG on Rock Warrior. I have the RW lug nuts.

Changed it myself using factory kit.

However, my spare is not a Rock Warrior (bought an extra RW, but never bought a tire for it).

Can I use my RW lug nuts on OEM spare?

I didn’t have any with me, so used the RW lug nuts. Is that safe?

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You cannot safely use RW lugs with the original wheel. The originals have a large flat washer that clamps the parallel wheel surface, where the RW lugs are conical and designed to hit a similar angle chamfer in the wheel that distributes the load.

Using the RW lugs will put a TON of stress onto the shoulder of the lug holes and likely deform it, and even worse this deformation may cause the lug nuts to loosen while driving. Plus, I’m not sure the RW lug would engage much thread since the original lugs have an extension that threads into the wheel face to increase thread engagement but the RW ones don’t do this.

Sorry to say this but you need to find some suitable lugs to continue safely. Parts stores may have them… been used on tundras for a long time.

Edited for posterity: forgot RW don’t use a steel insert in the wheel like older cruiser wheels, but have a rotating face on the lug to avoid galling. This detail doesn’t change it being an unsafe way to attach factory wheels however.

 

[kcjaz]

Searching for in for info as I need/want to replace my Gorilla spline lug nuts (Icon Six Speed wheels) with better quality McGards. Found this thread so bumping it. I think these are the ones with the rotating cone:

Black Cone Seat SplineDrive Lug Nut Set (M14 x 1.5 Thread Size) - Set of 4; Requires 65301 (1 Hex) or 65302 (22MM Hex) Installation Tool.

Black Cone Seat SplineDrive Lug Nut Set (M14 x 1.5 Thread Size) - Set of 4; Requires 65301 (1 Hex) or 65302 (22MM Hex) Installation Tool.

shop.mcgard.com

but the description doesn't clearly say anything about the rotating cone. Are these the correct lugs?

Also, I really don't like having to have a special spline socket. I currently have misplaced mine as I have done extensive work lately in three locations. Replacement spline sockets seem harder to find than they should be. At least McGard has a part number for their tool but the 22mm socket is $40 (ouch). I'd hate the spline socket less if it has a normal 1/2" or even 3/8" socket drive. Gorilla makes one but not for the M14 size lugs I have. Is there a standard for spline drives or are these all OEM specific?

 

[bloc]

Searching for in for info as I need/want to replace my Gorilla spline lug nuts (Icon Six Speed wheels) with better quality McGards. Found this thread so bumping it. I think these are the ones with the rotating cone:

Black Cone Seat SplineDrive Lug Nut Set (M14 x 1.5 Thread Size) - Set of 4; Requires 65301 (1 Hex) or 65302 (22MM Hex) Installation Tool.

Black Cone Seat SplineDrive Lug Nut Set (M14 x 1.5 Thread Size) - Set of 4; Requires 65301 (1 Hex) or 65302 (22MM Hex) Installation Tool.

shop.mcgard.com

but the description doesn't clearly say anything about the rotating cone. Are these the correct lugs?

Also, I really don't like having to have a special spline socket. I currently have misplaced mine as I have done extensive work lately in three locations. Replacement spline sockets seem harder to find than they should be. At least McGard has a part number for their tool but the 22mm socket is $40 (ouch). I'd hate the spline socket less if it has a normal 1/2" or even 3/8" socket drive. Gorilla makes one but not for the M14 size lugs I have. Is there a standard for spline drives or are these all OEM specific?

Those are the correct lugs, you can see the spinning seat as the silver metal part at the base of each.

I don’t know as much about the spline adapters.

 

[TLC2013]

@kcjaz let us know if those lugs give enough thread engagement. I haven’t been able to find any washer style lug nuts that will provide enough “turns” to properly engage the studs. I ended up settling on the “ET” Gorrilla lug nuts for my aftermarket wheels.