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I recently purchased a 95 tlc with 87k miles for $12,500 from original owner with extensive maintenance records . It is very clean and runs excellent. I am soooo happy with the vehicle and look forward to a long future with it. It is completely stock and unlocked (for now). I live in Redlands, CA...anyone out there in my area?

I have become a regular "lurker" to the site and am very impressed with the dedicated group of regulars sharing their knowledge...what an incredible service you all are providing...thanks.

While the vehicle does run very well, it has multiple issues that need addressing. The following is a list of repairs suggested from a dealer inspection: oil pan gasket ($1120), front engine oil seal ($164), reseal power steering pump($369), replace rear trans seal($95), replace speedo o-rings ($85), replace valve cover gasket($159), reseal front axle nuckels ($1158), EGR modulator and passage cleaning ($300). Despite all the apparent leaks, there is not much making it to the driveway, some days there will be no drips, some days there may be two.

I have zero experience working on cars, however I went ahead and bought a factory service manual in the hopes of doing some 1/4 to 1 :banana: jobs myself. I thought I would try Cary's advice of Redline 5w-30 to "swell seals" and stop some of the these leaks, especially the $$$ ones. For the power steering leak, I'm going to try either Lucas power steering stop leak or the Valvoline brand, I'm not sure which one yet. I was hoping to do some of the less expensive gasket/seal replacements myself, but I'm finding that much of the FSM assumes a basic level of mechanical background that I do not have. I can't even find instructions on the speedo o-rings, or the valve cover gasket. Are these repairs addressed in the FSM, if so what pages can I find them on (An index in the back sure would be helpful for us mechanically challenged folks)?

I've got new plugs, wires, cap, and rotor in the garage. I'm waiting to install these until after I decarbonize. I got a coupon in the mail from the dealer for a $99 throttle body and fuel injection cleaning. Will they actually take the throttle body off to do this, if not, is their cleaning as effective as taking it off and cleaning it? The dealer wants $120 to clean out the EGR passages, I thought I would leave this up to a professional, but perhaps not the dealer?? I'll install the EGE modulator myself. Currently my gas mileage is in the 12-14 range, I did reach 15.0 on our last road trip. I'm hoping that after a decarbonizing, a tune up, a Birfield repack, and all synthetic fluids, it will get 17 mpg on the highway and 14-15 around town...is this just wishful thinking?

Once I have the $$$ I plan on having TLC4x4 in Van Nuys do the Birfield repack, I am also anxious to have them give my vehicle a general once over as well. Unfortunately, I think the Birfield repack is out of my league. I would love to have them install a front locker while doing the Birfield, but I don't think I can swing the extra $$$. I know that if only a single locker, the rear is preferable, but is there any reason one shouldn't run a front locker without one on the rear?

The temperature gauge always runs just a hair above horizontal. I have read all the posts regarding the gauge and the "dead spot". I am concerned because, except for those with overheating problems, everyone states that their temperature gauge is either at horizontal or slightly below. My gauge reaches this position quickly and stays there despite the load (a good thing I guess). The air temperature from my heater vents is hotter than any vehicle I've experienced in the past. Does anybody think that my temperature gauge reading is cause for alarm. Is the gauge meausuring coolant temperature, if so can I take it to a shop to get an actual reading to know if my engines running hot or if its just a function of the gauge? The last thing I want is head gasket failure. No bubbles...but...how long does the engine need to stay at 3 rpm while doing the bubble test?

Thats it for now...I think that about covers it :)

Thanks
Perk
 
Damn! An oil pan gasket for $1k+?. I'm pretty new as well, aren't there two gaskets there? Why so much?
 
Cruisin'Carolina said:
Damn! An oil pan gasket for $1k+?. I'm pretty new as well, aren't there two gaskets there? Why so much?
Just a guess but you have to lift the engine some to do the oil pan gasket's, maybe that is why.
 
You might add a full coolant system flush to your list. I'd probably do that before addressing a few of the other items you have listed, might help you run cooler as well. Guess (hope) that's the upper pan gasket they're quoting you on?

Also - Congrats on the Cruiser!

Jason
 
Congrat on the new to you cruiser.
Thats quite a list of repairs you listed.
If you are not leaking much I would not bother.
You certainly should get a second opinion before diving into any of those high $ fixes.
I am a lot like yourself. Half a$$ mechanic, will do 1/2 :banana: jobs.
You are doing all the right things, FSM, takes awhile to get used the crazy layout.
What no index, what the :flipoff2: Sick bastards.
I have a 96 with 157k on her.
Did the birfield repack on the front, messy but good fun.
Good opportunity to get really familiar with your rig.
Sometimes clubs will get together and do them.
Unless you have a really bad leak you should not be in a big rush.
Good luck

FZJ80KIDPEN
 
Welcome to the forum and congrats on your new cruiser. I go up to Redlands on a regular basis. If you want to chat up LC's, let me know and we'll hook up. Just bought mine a few months ago.

I'd say wait on the oil pan gaskets until it begins to suck because you're pouring in oil every few days. Wait until absolutely necessary. It's really your call. That's a lot of $$$. The gaskets on mine are seeping oil but nothing outrageous.

What kind of price did you get on the birf repack from TLC4X4?
 
I had a coolant flush performed (included block). Proper coolant type was refilled...gauge has not been effected, same position as pre-flush. It is the upper oil pan gasket quoted at $1120. Seth at TLC4x4 quoted $6-800 over the phone for the Birfield repack...that is less than I was expecting. They charge $90/hr labor, comparable to most of the shops (including dealer) that I have checked. Apparently their experience with cruisers allows them to get it done in substantially less time than other non-cruiser shops.

Roncruiser...what are the local offroad areas you like to frequent? Since moving to Redlands most of my local explorations have been off hwy38 (backway to Big Bear City) in the San Bernardino mtns. Alot of beautiful trails, nothing to challenging, too many locked gates, but makes for a beautiful afternoon.

Perk
 
perk said:
I had a coolant flush performed (included block). Proper coolant type was refilled...gauge has not been effected, same position as pre-flush. It is the upper oil pan gasket quoted at $1120. Seth at TLC4x4 quoted $6-800 over the phone for the Birfield repack...that is less than I was expecting. They charge $90/hr labor, comparable to most of the shops (including dealer) that I have checked. Apparently their experience with cruisers allows them to get it done in substantially less time than other non-cruiser shops.

Roncruiser...what are the local offroad areas you like to frequent? Since moving to Redlands most of my local explorations have been off hwy38 (backway to Big Bear City) in the San Bernardino mtns. Alot of beautiful trails, nothing to challenging, too many locked gates, but makes for a beautiful afternoon.

Perk

as amply discussed here in the past (and will be in the future), it is essential to find out *exactly* what the proposed Birf job would entail, i.e. down to what seal are they going, do they take the shafts out, do they clean the inside of the Birfs etc...
 
Perk

Welcome, I am pretty new too as you can probably see, I would advise getting a Haynes Manual as well, sometimes they go over the basics a little better in these generic manuals, just an idea, for 20 bucks its always nice to have a second view of a part what have you, in terms of the valve cover gasket, basically the valve cover it the cover over the top of the engine (head) and the oil cap screws on to it, so you will see oil leaking out inbetween your valve cover and your head. Should be easy to see by just peering under the hood, the front and passanger side of the valve cover should be easy to see. The oil pan gaskets and trans seal, I would crawl under and clean everything up and then see how much you are loosing and from where.......this would then dictate in what order to repair, I know my lower oil pans leaks enough that thee is some oil on the pan but not enough that it drips and honestly for the amount of work it would take to do, there are better maintenance things to take care of.........hope this was of help.
 
Perk,
Welcome. Just to let you know. The Front axle rebuild will cost you $200 if you do it yourself vs the $1200 you listed/ Could easily do it over a weekend and its not hard, just time consuming. Maybe someone is close to you who could help over see the job for a few beers. Cruiser heads love to help others for beer.

Haven't done the oil pan seal, put if its not leaking bad, I would put it down on the list and just keep checking your level. You can keep pouring oil in, but the Birf/knuckl has to be torn down.

Congrats and welcome.

Ken
 
e9999 said:
as amply discussed here in the past (and will be in the future), it is essential to find out *exactly* what the proposed Birf job would entail, i.e. down to what seal are they going, do they take the shafts out, do they clean the inside of the Birfs etc...


What exactly does the "Full Monte" of Birf jobs entail?
 
Romer said:
Perk,
Welcome. Just to let you know. The Front axle rebuild will cost you $200 if you do it yourself vs the $1200 you listed/ Could easily do it over a weekend and its not hard, just time consuming. Maybe someone is close to you who could help over see the job for a few beers. Cruiser heads love to help others for beer.

I would love to do this myself under the guidance of a generous, kind-hearted cruiser-head. To anyone in the So Cal area... have beer will travel, what the heck I'll even throw in a meal or two. :)
 
perk said:
What exactly does the "Full Monte" of Birf jobs entail?

Main points to ensure that are included are:

- replacing the inner axle seals
- replacing the (upper and lower) knuckle bearings [also known as kingpin and trunion] bearings
- pulling the birf off and cleaning the inside of the birf (I didn't bother with this).

plus the usual stuff like the felt and rubber wiper seal.

Riley

P.S. my rear seal (or pan arch seal) leaks very slowly, I wouldn't bother to fix it.
 

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