New Heritage 200 fork lift flex test.

[jamgolf]

Hello - new member here and just bought a Heritage Edition last Friday.
@tdcruiser406080100 that is a great demo of the flex these vehicles seem to have.

What is the reason for the 14 point flex index difference between stock and HE?
Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition: 661
'17 Toyota Land Cruiser: 647

 

[tdcruiser406080100]

Hello - new member here and just bought a Heritage Edition last Friday.
@tdcruiser406080100 that is a great demo of the flex these vehicles seem to have.

What is the reason for the 14 point flex index difference between stock and HE?
Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition: 661
'17 Toyota Land Cruiser: 647

No idea... could be because the HE cost more and has less stuff.

 

[LBridges]

Hello - new member here and just bought a Heritage Edition last Friday.
@tdcruiser406080100 that is a great demo of the flex these vehicles seem to have.

What is the reason for the 14 point flex index difference between stock and HE?
Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition: 661
'17 Toyota Land Cruiser: 647

Assume it's not a testing artifact (different test methods). Then presumably the reason is in the different rear springs mentioned on the first page of this thread. Longer spring travel length may allow for more articulation.

 

[bloc]

Hello - new member here and just bought a Heritage Edition last Friday.
@tdcruiser406080100 that is a great demo of the flex these vehicles seem to have.

What is the reason for the 14 point flex index difference between stock and HE?
Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition: 661
'17 Toyota Land Cruiser: 647

14 points sounds like a lot but keep in mind it’s only roughly 2%. Plus with tire sidewall flex it is entirely possible the number would be different if OP had to actually drive it up a ramp.

The point is.. anything in that range is a GREAT number, let alone for something as comfortable and great to drive on-road as one of these is.

 

[jamgolf]

^ you are right - any number in that range is very good and the two numbers are close enough that it could be tires, driver, or some other small factor.

 

[MikeVpdx503]

It would be interesting to see results from something in the 08-15 range 200 series to see if similar and to compare with 100 series and earlier...just for kicks.

 

[TeCKis300]

Hello - new member here and just bought a Heritage Edition last Friday.
@tdcruiser406080100 that is a great demo of the flex these vehicles seem to have.

What is the reason for the 14 point flex index difference between stock and HE?
Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition: 661
'17 Toyota Land Cruiser: 647

Assume it's not a testing artifact (different test methods). Then presumably the reason is in the different rear springs mentioned on the first page of this thread. Longer spring travel length may allow for more articulation.

Yes, the LC200 platform puts up stupendous numbers whatever the trim. Is there a difference that can account for the slight measured difference? Possibly. I don't think LBridges is far off the mark. It's noted in other threads that the rear springs are both taller and potentially lower rate.

The theoretical situation for a platform to score the highest possible number is going to be one that geometrically has the suspension at the limits of its travel. Where the front tire on the ramp and the opposite rear corner are at full compression, and the opposing corners to those at full extension.

Namely in full warp, where the each axle is at the ends of its travel in diametrically opposed planes.

Suspensions, sway bars, and bushings complicate this
- Springs at the compression corners have to be tender enough to allow full compression at opposite corners with the given weight of the vehicle
- KDSS to relax enough for opposite sides of an axle to be at different extremes
- The drooping tires will want enough spring to overcome the sway bars and suspension bushings to fully droop to the ends of their travel

If we presume the HE has longer more tender rear springs...
- It's likely both HE and non-HE's are at full compression on the squatted corners
- With the taller rear springs, it's plausible that the rear drooping tire is being pushed down (against bushings and sways) just a bit more to maintain ground contact

The delta in height needed for a score between what's measured for the HE vs normal, is ~.75". Small but measurable.

Or I'm just full of BS and its down to the variability in each test.

 

[TeCKis300]

Enjoyed the RTI test of the new Ram TRX by Dan Edmunds. This truck is a beast.

Pretty respectable RTI also for a long wheelbase rig - 602. A tremendous score but which still amplifies how stupendous the LC score is.



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