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FYI BFGoodrich is owned by Miichelin, and I also believe many of their tires are manufactured in the same facilities.
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FYI BFGoodrich is owned by Miichelin, and I also believe many of their tires are manufactured in the same facilities.
It's a slow decline into absurdity. I started out similarly at 15-16 avg. combined (stock). Lifted 2" 14-15 avg. combined. Added roof rack, LRA and plopped the spare on top still holding at 14 avg. combined which is better than I thought. Waiting to see what will happen when I add 275/70/18 KO2s on the 21st.
Let's not talk about towing MPG.......
Yeah towing will drop that another 50%. Long range tanks begin to be a must. Also part of the reason why I have stripped my mindset and focused on ‘needs’ not ‘wants’. I put 20-40k miles a year on my LC going on adventures. Do I need a winch / bumper when MaxTrax will do? Do i need a rear bumper and multiple spare tires? Or a roof rack? A lift and big tires? Ive made all those mistakes on my 60 and 100 and realized they are not worth the hit in MPG and weight when I very rarely use them.It's a slow decline into absurdity. I started out similarly at 15-16 avg. combined (stock). Lifted 2" 14-15 avg. combined. Added roof rack, LRA and plopped the spare on top still holding at 14 avg. combined which is better than I thought. Waiting to see what will happen when I add 275/70/18 KO2s on the 21st.
It's kind of like backpackers, there are those who:
(a) wear a light pack with only the essentials rolling in trail running shoes, and
(b) others who carry huge backpacks often 2x the weight of the (a) with heavy tall old school boots
Who climbs more and goes further? Who has more fun?
so, you’re saying that those with Michelin Defenders go further off-road and have more fun than those with big bad a$$ AT/MTs?
I looks like he said they get better mileage.
bloc
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I knew a guy that would cut the handle of his toothbrush in half and drill holes in the rest… and was 30# overweight.
Not saying that’s any cruiser owners.
If there isn't too much mud, then yes!
Great discussion/great info - thanks all. I used to run BFG A/Ts on my model 80 lifted LC. I was very happy with them as they were used 70% on road 30% offroad. Drove many of the Blue/Green trails in CO, Moab UT, VA, PA, NC/MD beaches with them with no complaints... other than the fact they they were noisy on the highway drive from Virginia to CO/UT and back. Noise/performance trade off was well worth it.
I purchased my 2004 Sequoia with 200K miles 2 years ago with some Presa 265/65R17 road tires. I have done some wet/mud/sand/ice/snow driving with them and blown away with the Toyota Traction Control's ability to work effectively with these tires (when they slip the Traction Control/ABS does an amazing job). Thought I would really miss my ARB lockers on my model 80 LC. But I gotta say, so far, not missing them. I am blown away by the capabilities of the Sequoia! The power and traction is amazing. A true testament to the engineering that Toyota is well-known for. Use case for this Sequoia is 90% city/highway 10% offroad Blue (if clearance allows)/Green trails. Some trailer pulling of Boy Scout trailer ~2500lbs with no auxiliary brakes. I will likely not lift/bumper/winch/locker it... saving that for a future Lexus LX470 build.
Has anyone bought and installed BFG Trail-Terrain T/A on any vehicle? How is street performance dry/wet/ice/snow and off-road sand/mud/rock? How is the highway noise? For some reason there is low stock on the Trail-Terrains in my Sequoia stock size 265/65R17? However, there seems to be plenty of a slightly taller (I am told 1 inch taller) 265/70R17? Considering going with the 70 height to give a little more lift for offroad/snow use. Anyone running a slightly taller tire (265/70R17) on their Sequoia or Tundra? Any issues with performance/rubbing/steering/breaking?
All opinions/experience/comments welcome - appreciate any thoughts you might have to help me think it through. Thanks for your help.
I purchased my 2004 Sequoia with 200K miles 2 years ago with some Presa 265/65R17 road tires. I have done some wet/mud/sand/ice/snow driving with them and blown away with the Toyota Traction Control's ability to work effectively with these tires (when they slip the Traction Control/ABS does an amazing job). Thought I would really miss my ARB lockers on my model 80 LC. But I gotta say, so far, not missing them. I am blown away by the capabilities of the Sequoia! The power and traction is amazing. A true testament to the engineering that Toyota is well-known for. Use case for this Sequoia is 90% city/highway 10% offroad Blue (if clearance allows)/Green trails. Some trailer pulling of Boy Scout trailer ~2500lbs with no auxiliary brakes. I will likely not lift/bumper/winch/locker it... saving that for a future Lexus LX470 build.
Has anyone bought and installed BFG Trail-Terrain T/A on any vehicle? How is street performance dry/wet/ice/snow and off-road sand/mud/rock? How is the highway noise? For some reason there is low stock on the Trail-Terrains in my Sequoia stock size 265/65R17? However, there seems to be plenty of a slightly taller (I am told 1 inch taller) 265/70R17? Considering going with the 70 height to give a little more lift for offroad/snow use. Anyone running a slightly taller tire (265/70R17) on their Sequoia or Tundra? Any issues with performance/rubbing/steering/breaking?
All opinions/experience/comments welcome - appreciate any thoughts you might have to help me think it through. Thanks for your help.
Great point - I have seen many a Philmont backpacker "oz hunting" on equipment but then carrying an extra 20-50 lbs of unnecessary body weight onto the trail.
Would you guys run this tire if your 200 is armored up with more weight? My rig has the front and rear ARB bumpers and sliders. I'd like to consider this tire, I have a mint set of Rock Warriors I plan to go with next time I need tires. I don't rock crawl her, mainly rural dirt roads and hwy./towing. I do like the snow rating of this new line. Should I stick to an E-rated tire?
Exactly why I am NOT going to do a thing to my newly acquired 80 Series. I've been down that rat hole.
bloc
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It would be helpful to know your loaded weight, and frankly I feel everyone adding significant weight should get that number to be sure they are working within the safety limits designed into the vehicle.
That said, if you are under the GVWR of the vehicle even the stock p-metrics will handle the load with ease. These should be no exception.
gaijin
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Required Load Limits for the LC200 are 2512 lbs for P-Metric/ISO-Metric tires and 2286 lbs for LT-Metric tires.
The ISO-Metric Trail Terrain T/A 285/70R17 117T (XL)*1 at its RCTIP of 36psi on your LC200 has a Load limit of 2513 lbs.
The LT-Metric BFG KO2 LT285/70R17 121R (Load Range E)*2 at its RCTIP of 40psi on your LC200 has a Load Limit of 2315 lbs.
Both tires, @ their respective RCTIP, will handle all vehicle weights up to the GVWR.
The most significant difference between these two tires is durability (e.g. puncture resistance, sidewall strength, etc.) - the Load Range E LT-Metric tire has the clear advantage.
*1 BFG does not indicate whether the Trail Terrain is SL (Standard Load) or XL (Extra Load / Reinforced). Based on its Max Load spec of 2833 lbs @ 44psi, one can assume this tire is XL even though not specifically stated on their web site (BFG Trail Terrain web page)
*2 For some reason, BFG has dropped the "LT" designation for tire descriptions on their web site (BFG KO2 web page). Based on its max Load spec of 3195 lbs @ 80psi, one can assume this tire (MSPN 99728) is the Load Range E LT-Metric tire.
HTH
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I'm still on the stock Dunlops. I drive "easy" and have got up to 22 mpg, though usually closer to 20, highway. Been through 3 snow storms and passed "everybody" like they were in park! KO2's on the Taco and LX450; mileage took a bit of a hit.
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Well, a little bad update today. After riding around on them over the weekend I've found to have a vibration in both the seat and the wheel around 65-70mph. Took it back to the shop and they turned one of the tires, road forced balanced all of them but the vibration still is present. The shop is sending them back to BFG as they feel there is a manufacturer defect and is putting on a set of Nitto G2's to replace them. They are P-Metric XL rated AT's, so will have to see how they do. Special kudos to Discount Tire for handling this so easily for me.
If anyone bites the bullet on these, keep special attention to the balance.
If anyone bites the bullet on these, keep special attention to the balance.
Sinister
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Well that sucks. Thank you for the update.
thanks for the update. I had the same problem come up on a brand new set of BFG KO2 as well. Michelin fought it hard but ended up sending me a brand new set.
Pics of the new tires?
That happened to my BFG KO2s as well. Discount tire can get them balanced with a sh*tload of weights and a lot of effort, repeated often, but they do it. One of the reason I was considering other tires next is how poorly my BFGs balanced, the other is my dream to pickup 10% on range.
Update - Did a lot of research and found almost no user feedback on the new BFG Trail-Terrain T/A - very frustrating. Based on my great experience with BFG All-Terrain A/Ts on my Model 80 LC, I went ahead and pulled the trigger today on set of 4 BGF Trail-Terrain T/A for the 2004 Toyota Sequoia Limited (w 17 inch wheels option). After much self-debate. Kept with the OEM size of 265/65-17. Justification: handles/accelerates and brakes so well (almost as well as my Lexus LS430) as is, going up to a 265/70 would have increased the height by 1 inch with no compromise to suspension however would have changed the center of gravity, wind resistance, acceleration, braking and speedometer (slightly). Toyota engineers are brilliant. They built these machines to last way past the due date if properly maintained. Did not want to muck with greatness. I also did extensive research on tire chains (also, painful as there is not a lot of good information available - tons of options in function and quality). Goal was great snow/ice performance, comfortable/quiet ride, easy of use. Ultimately, decided on a set of Konig Standard Snow Tire Chains - Diamond Pattern - D Link - XB16 - Size 265 Item # TH01571265 from etrailer.com (price guarantee - super knowledgeable and nice folks). Have a near term overland trip planned with a mix of dry, wet, muddy, ice and snow over 11 eastern, northern Midwest and southern states. Will let you know how these new BFG Trail-Terrain work out.
