My M417 cause it's better than a 416

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I bought this unit sight unseen after I had a local Cruiserhead check it out. I won't do that again. After paying too much and dragging it back to Jersey it became apparent that the frame was wasted. I worked with Dave Crum at Crum Custom Welding and he built a new frame out of box steel while I worked on the tub by hand. After 2 days of that nonsense I called up a local sand blast dude and had the tub blasted. In and out in a day.

Dave and I liked the spare tire under the rear of the trailer both for convenience and balance. Hit the tub and frame with 2 coats of Rustolium enamel and reassembled the whole shebang with grade 8 hardware for the tub and 304 SS for the fenders.

During the process I rebuilt the drum brakes, repacked the wheel bearings, cleaned up the springs and shackles, pulled apart the lunette and 3rd leg, lubed the brake cables, and painted everything. Dave made all repairs to the tub which included filling holes and cutting off the lower skirt that overhangs the outer frame rails. He ran bead welds down the long sides and across the rear and added 2 new front tabs. He also added the adjustable chain so the tailgate can be used as a worksurface and as a ramp for loading.

Although this project started out as a cheap trailer for me to haul Swampers around, it started to hemorrhage money pretty quickly. It turned out to be WAY more than intended, but also very useful. It pulls like it’s not there behind my 80, balanced so well that my 11 year old daughter can pick it up and move it, and I think it looks pretty sharp. It won’t win any awards for “mil spec” but it works for me.

Huge thanks to Dave Crum of Crum Custom Welding in Butler, NJ. He allowed me to store the parts in his shop and work on the unit while he did all the hard stuff.
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The new frame pieces cut to length; the tub after blasting with Dave measuring and drilling; painted the outside of the tub. Sorry about these blurry pics. Cell phones and whatnot.
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I don't think it gets much cleaner than a 416 with a brand new frame!! It was an investment but at least you've got a solid trailer now.

Got any plans for it or gonna keep it pretty much stock?
 
Not sure. Like I said, all I wanted was to haul my Swampers to/from trail rides. My wife hated the idea of another "vehicle" in the driveway, but I've used it to haul yard debris and recycling and it took home our new Weber grill. It's not an eyesore so she has relaxed a bit.

There have been thoughts of a sleeping platform for a tent, but I still need to haul 5 36" tires with it. Not sure how to make that happen. I should probably buy tires for it as the current military Coopers are dry rotted a bit. They're like 400 ply so I doubt they'll be an issue any time soon. I dunno.
 
Not sure. Like I said, all I wanted was to haul my Swampers to/from trail rides. My wife hated the idea of another "vehicle" in the driveway, but I've used it to haul yard debris and recycling and it took home our new Weber grill. It's not an eyesore so she has relaxed a bit.

There have been thoughts of a sleeping platform for a tent, but I still need to haul 5 36" tires with it. Not sure how to make that happen. I should probably buy tires for it as the current military Coopers are dry rotted a bit. They're like 400 ply so I doubt they'll be an issue any time soon. I dunno.

They are wicked stiff tires. I wish mine came with a set of the original tires / wheels, but oh well. I wish I was up in Rochester to take a look at the trailer for you, but what are you gonna do. At least you have a sick "417" trailer.

You could do a RTT on top of a small rack built out of the bed so you can fit the tires underneath it. That could work pretty well.
 
Looks like you've done a nice job on it. The spare tucked up under is a nice feature.
 
Looks great! Do you have any pics of:

1) the rear (to see the lights)

2) the way the spare is attached to the bottom of the frame?

Thanks
 
The spare mount is 1" threaded rod welded to the frame cross member behind the axle, 2 pieces of plate steel with a hole, and a 1" nut with rebar "wings" welded to it. No tools required to remove, but it is cumbersome to install.


The lights are cheapo trailer lights mounted to angle steel welded to the frame.
The license plate mount is the same one I have on my 80. $12 from JC Whitney.
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Just a quick followup:

I was heading to a not-so-local 4WD shop to pick up some new Swampers. I had 2 empty steel rims and 2 mounted 36" TSL/SX laying flat. When I hit a bump the trailer started to ocillate left to right at around 65 MPH...in the rain...with trucks on either side of me...going downhill. After I was done crapping my pants I did some research and realized that because the spare is mounted under the rear, and it's balanced so well, the tounge weight is too light. It's not an issue with the trailer empty, but I need to be careful how I load it for highway driving. It is not a problem with 5 Swampers on it.

I may have to move the spare forward of the axle to add weight to the tounge.
 
Jon, I would advise moving those lights either further up or further back on the tub, where they're currently located they're going to be very short lived.

If you plan to extend the tongue, you may not have to relocate the spare, the weight will balance it out.
 
Prolly flyin' up and down the "Truway"....watchin all dem blackburds and deers....lolol

Crazy New Yawkers

That happened on the way back from Maine last summer...except the guy's trailer came off the ball too and got all the way out the end of the safety chains...till they snapped. I was about 3 cars behind when it stasted to unfold...eased way back and stayed out the mix.

Glad you were ok !!:beer:
 
Jon, I would advise moving those lights either further up or further back on the tub, where they're currently located they're going to be very short lived.

Why? They're mounted on steel angle welded to the frame. I can stand on the mounts. They stick out less than the fenders.
 
Prolly flyin' up and down the "Truway"....watchin all dem blackburds and deers....lolol

Crazy New Yawkers

That happened on the way back from Maine last summer...except the guy's trailer came off the ball too and got all the way out the end of the safety chains...till they snapped. I was about 3 cars behind when it stasted to unfold...eased way back and stayed out the mix.

Glad you were ok !!:beer:

Yea, it got a bit crazy. No chance in the pintle letting go though. That setup is pretty stout.
 
Why? They're mounted on steel angle welded to the frame. I can stand on the mounts. They stick out less than the fenders.

That's where I had my first set of lights, and even on the mild wooded trails of Virginia, the trailer's corners often came in contact with trees. They lasted one trip, got ripped off.

I mounted the new lights higher up the sides of the trailer, never had any more contact.

Just a recommendation since you used boat trail lights.
 
Got a chance to really pull my trailer. CMCC was about 3 hours from home and on the way there she was loaded with 4 36" Swampers on rims, 1 36" Swamper with no rim and a 33" AT. Pulled like a dream. I had 3 tires standing up in the front and 3 standing in the rear. I guess as long as I load it properly it won't be a problem. On the way back I had all 5 Swampers (3 standing in the front, 2 lying flat in the back) along with an Iron Pig belly plate for an 80 which weighs like 200 pounds. Again, it pulled like a dream. Windows up, AC on, tunes cranking, Cruise Control set to around 68. Oh, and the tailgate is the bees knees. Nice.
 
I had purchased a pair of 5 gallon military style water cans and was looking to mount them on the trailer. Found Blitz can carriers at Northern Tool for $17 each. Had Dave Crum from Crum Custom Welding weld 2 flat pieces of steel to the drawbars and weld the carriers to that. Picked up some 1 1/2" ratchet straps to keep them in place. Works pretty well and looks sharp.
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