Builds My Bad 91 Runner on 39.5's (should have got 42's) (10 Viewers)

[JJS]

I can't read the language on that site, and there is no translation option. I did see the tire size listings for the flares, though. Are you saying those flares are designed to allow you to fit that tire size on the factory suspension, i.e. 44's on an 80 with no lift?

 

[knixen]

I can't read the language on that site, and there is no translation option. I did see the tire size listings for the flares, though. Are you saying those flares are designed to allow you to fit that tire size on the factory suspension, i.e. 44's on an 80 with no lift?

Yes! thats what Im saying (with nothing else than bodylifting atleast), I dont understand the text there either...

But with lots of cutting and welding...

 

[r0nin89]

Prepare to blow through Idler arms, and CV's.

 

[knixen]

Prepare to blow through Idler arms, and CV's.

Why???

 

[r0nin89]

LOL do your research. You'll break your IFS like nothing on 33's let alone 38's... I popped an idler arm and broke a CV on 33x12's wheeling litely. IFS is junk get a SFA under that rig.

 

[knixen]

I know there are lots of guys having trouble with the ifs, but here in Norway and on iceland there are LOTS of ifs trucks with 33s and upwards without any (eh, with only slightly) trouble. It all comes back to your driving, know your car and its weaknesses and its my oppinion that it should last. But a sas kit is on my wish list, I just have to get it pre-approved first...

Toyota in Norway give cars with ifs and 37s full waranty!!!!!!

and I have run it on 35s and 37s for 18 months without any trouble...

 

[r0nin89]

I would say your lucky then. Now if we were talking later model IFS thats a different story. And "knowing your weakness" can only take you so far IMO.

 

[Bear80]

Are you locked up front r0nin89? And by poped an idler are do you mean broke the ball or bent the shaft. The idler arm is really the only weak link the IFS, it either bends, or goes through bushings. CV's, diff etc will be fine without a torque multiplying device like a locker.

 

[knixen]

Ill post info when I get trouble then...

Today I have done some work on my rig, welded 2 of 4 beadlocks. doing the last 2 tomorrow. Also added spacers for my rear coils to get better angle. Dont want the ass to be slacking....

post some pix tomorrow...

 

[r0nin89]

Are you locked up front r0nin89? And by poped an idler are do you mean broke the ball or bent the shaft. The idler arm is really the only weak link the IFS, it either bends, or goes through bushings. CV's, diff etc will be fine without a torque multiplying device like a locker.

Lol not to be so blunt but IFS is garbage. The who system is the weak point. From the multiple angles in the tierod, to the idler arm, to the weak tierod ends, to the CV's, to the horrible articulation which makes things even rougher. A locker doesnt put more stress on the front end it takes some off. The locker in the front stops a tire from spinning faster and suddenly slamming down and catching traction.

 

[83Fjwagon]

I would say your lucky then. Now if we were talking later model IFS thats a different story. And "knowing your weakness" can only take you so far IMO.

The torsion front end is more "HEAVY DUTY" than the Taco's.That's why Toyota put it in the HILUX's worldwide.

 

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

Enough IFS bashing. I guess someone should tell the 100's of thousands of IFS Toys out there getting the s*** beat out of them that they should have broken by now....

 

[tntoyota]

Lol not to be so blunt but IFS is garbage. The who system is the weak point. From the multiple angles in the tierod, to the idler arm, to the weak tierod ends, to the CV's, to the horrible articulation which makes things even rougher. A locker doesnt put more stress on the front end it takes some off. The locker in the front stops a tire from spinning faster and suddenly slamming down and catching traction.

Seriously we cant drive through a mud puddle without 44's and the Paris Dakar, and Camel trophys are done with no bigger than 33's.





Other countrys feel differently about there setups they dont all drive like us or in most conditions like us , we 4wheel for luxury they might for nessesity you would (adapt) drive differently with that notion.


The Toyota 86-95 is the best IFS on the planet. (H1 is tied with Toy)

What is the who system?


Yes SA is better but not always the cure all. (Portals are!!!)


The locker does add stress, 100% to each side under power, put a locker in the front turn this method is more commonly used than "the locker stops the tire from spinning and suddenly slaming down and catching traction" in an open diff torqe goes to the wheel with the LEAST amount of traction and this keeps it from spewing its guts when it gets traction suddenly.



If you never needed articulation you would opt for the better ground clearence. (sand, snow, mud, planes areas)


If you always needed articulation you would opt for the SA. (Rocks, ahh?, mountanis areas)


There will never be one 4wd system that works perfictly in any and all conditions, sorry the H1 will never be a SA, and an SA will never be a IS.

 

[tntoyota]

Lol not to be so blunt but IFS is garbage.

He has to be talking about Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Kea, Mitsubishi, Nissan..................................etc.





Possable exeptions include: J#*p, Dodge 1ton. Only cause theire SFA, not cause they'll run for forever .

 

[r0nin89]

I still stand by saying that IFS is garbage and coilover toyota IFS holds up a hell of alot better. If your gonna wheel anything but dessert buy a SA rig to save yourself.

 

[tntoyota]

Knixen, has anyone up there ever used 5:71's?


I'm trying to figure out if they even hold up in IFS Toy's (7.5")

 

[knixen]

Maybe someone on Iceland has used 5:71, but I dont know. According to gearinstalls.com they are much stronger than you think.

I will go for SA if i get it approved here in Norway, the plan is then to use front axle and fittings from mid 90s lj70/73 with coils. But the main concern is legal problems. I have found myself a 77 40 series wich I am going to buy, and I will then consider selling my runner.

r0nin89, we get it. You hate IFS, but why are u posting 5 posts saying the same??? Most of us have learned to read and understand english quite well... and we still run ifs trucks...

I have run my truck with 35/37/38s and soon 36s 15000miles with nothing else than normal service... And wheeled it on snow, mud and rocks...

 

[knixen]

Here are some new pix! Spent most of my working day today mounting the tires...

Removing the 2" BL soon, and my safari snorkel is arriving within a few days... Looking forward to it...

The outer rings are painted in the same colour as the car... Looks not to hairy...

 

[r0nin89]

r0nin89, we get it. You hate IFS, but why are u posting 5 posts saying the same??? Most of us have learned to read and understand english quite well... and we still run ifs trucks...

I have run my truck with 35/37/38s and soon 36s 15000miles with nothing else than normal service... And wheeled it on snow, mud and rocks...

Ha its not like people arent responding trying to tell me I'm wrong so I'll keep saying it all I want as long as theres someone there going IFS is fine for 38's. Yeah superb idea. Get that solid axle under that rig with longfields and you'll have something built to actually handle the tires. Right now your weak link is in a real expensive spot...

 

[knixen]

Ha its not like people arent responding trying to tell me I'm wrong so I'll keep saying it all I want as long as theres someone there going IFS is fine for 38's. Yeah superb idea. Get that solid axle under that rig with longfields and you'll have something built to actually handle the tires. Right now your weak link is in a real expensive spot...

The issue here isnt wether I will go sas or not, but legal here in norway. I CANT SWAP WITHOUT LOSING MY PLATES!!!! So until I have a pre approval from the norwegian department of vehicles it will be an IFS RUNNER!

And there are lots of runners and trucks here with 35/36/37/38s! No one with particular problems regarding to big tires...

I was about to call you stupid who kept posting the same message, but when I assume Im stupid answering every time...

But I agree with you to some extent, and I really want to go SAS with my truck. But since this has become my offroad car and these are worth much money here I am concidering selling it and buying a cheaper car for offroading.... have found a 40s series LC...

I expect to get 20000-30000usd for my car here... And thats a fact!!!