Much Respect to this 200 on 37s

[Wicked0ne18]

This vid is just awesome. 200 series on 37s working it and enjoying the beautiful Mother Nature. That bald eagle clip is spectacular.

I believe the owner is a mudder.

Love to see more videos of this of the 200s.

Inspire me to go bigger and also get a lx570.

 

[z531519]

absolutely a great trail with awesome camping!

 

[TeCKis300]

@MTKID

 

[MTKID]

Thank you @Wicked0ne18. That stupid little video took me so long to edit that I haven’t dove into any other videos but I did recently buy a GoPro 8 off of eBay and I’ll see if I can’t capture some more content this year.

The only other place I’ve been sharing the short clips I record is on Instagram. Love it or hate it… I’m @tiny_the_200 on there.

Thanks for sharing
Micah

 

[Wicked0ne18]

Thank you @Wicked0ne18. That stupid little video took me so long to edit that I haven’t dove into any other videos but I did recently buy a GoPro 8 off of eBay and I’ll see if I can’t capture some more content this year.

The only other place I’ve been sharing the short clips I record is on Instagram. Love it or hate it… I’m @tiny_the_200 on there.

Thanks for sharing
Micah

It’s an awesome video and thx for sharing. Would love to see more contents like the one you posted above. It’s a beasty 200 in action.

 

[Bunga]

Sure, you can wheel with the factory steps and bumper. Of course, just roll 37s.

 

[MTKID]

Sure, you can wheel with the factory steps and bumper. Of course, just roll 37s.

My passenger side step now looks like it’s been through a shark attack But the Tupperware parts of my truck I haven’t been as concerned with preserving since they’ll get replaced.

 

[Bunga]

Still looks fantastic for what you are rolling through. Kudos.

 

[Reckless]

Thank you @Wicked0ne18. That stupid little video took me so long to edit that I haven’t dove into any other videos but I did recently buy a GoPro 8 off of eBay and I’ll see if I can’t capture some more content this year.

The only other place I’ve been sharing the short clips I record is on Instagram. Love it or hate it… I’m @tiny_the_200 on there.

Thanks for sharing
Micah

How do the 37s handle on the street and high speeds? Love the look, makes me have lexus envy.

 

[MTKID]

How do the 37s handle on the street and high speeds? Love the look, makes me have lexus envy.

They handle perfectly fine in my opinion. They handle high speed very well too. I won’t say exactly how fast I have had the truck up to with these tires but I have passed other vehicles rather quickly when I’ve wanted to. And I’ve certainly tested the cornering abilities on local mountain passes last year. And that is w/o a front swaybar.

Biggest downside is the noise from the MT2’s I chose to run. I can overlook it and it’s about what I would expect from the tread pattern, but certainly noisier than a hybrid tread pattern. Secondary disadvantage would be winter ice traction. After having this size, I really don’t want to put my 34” winter tires back on so I deal with a little worse ice traction. And I did have these siped - full width, full depth. If I’m ever in an area with other 200 owners around, you’re welcome to drive it. It won’t feel stock but it’s certainly not unsafe IMO.

 

[4wheelgreg]

For me 37’s you might want to consider a straight axle conversion anything above that . I have a found a flood LX570 may do a build I have a complete cummins 12 valve cummins NV4500 / NP205 transfer and dana axles , the LX was in a flood last year I have insurance impound yard locally and they have a few of these , bodies still look great just smell like worms .
I could not justify taking my 2020 Heritage and turn it into a Mud / Rock crawler .
I would do straight axle conversion and 40’s

 

[MTKID]

For me 37’s you might want to consider a straight axle conversion anything above that . I have a found a flood LX570 may do a build I have a complete cummins 12 valve cummins NV4500 / NP205 transfer and dana axles , the LX was in a flood last year I have insurance impound yard locally and they have a few of these , bodies still look great just smell like worms .
I could not justify taking my 2020 Heritage and turn it into a Mud / Rock crawler .
I would do straight axle conversion and 40’s

Solid axle swap isn’t out of the question. I’m just not sure what axle is the best solution and how high it would have to sit to have proper up-travel. And would all the abs sensors be happy? Would it drive reasonably well still? I understand not wanting to cut into a 2020 Heritage, but mine is an 08’ w/ 215k miles. Perfect candidate for more fun

 

[dcs111]

This vid is just awesome. 200 series on 37s working it and enjoying the beautiful Mother Nature. That bald eagle clip is spectacular.

I believe the owner is a mudder.

Love to see more videos of this of the 200s.

Inspire me to go bigger and also get a lx570.

Makes me want to trade my wife’s car for an LX!

 

[dcs111]

My passenger side step now looks like it’s been through a shark attack But the Tupperware parts of my truck I haven’t been as concerned with preserving since they’ll get replaced.

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The LX next to the passenger van really puts the tire size into perspective

 

[CanadianRockyCruiser]

Solid axle swap isn’t out of the question. I’m just not sure what axle is the best solution and how high it would have to sit to have proper up-travel. And would all the abs sensors be happy? Would it drive reasonably well still? I understand not wanting to cut into a 2020 Heritage, but mine is an 08’ w/ 215k miles. Perfect candidate for more fun

Do you happen to have a build thread or list of mods? Northern neighbors need to know! I presume body mount chops? Body lift? AHC sensor suspension lift? Suspension spacers? Wheel spacers? Re-geared, I presume? Thanks in advance for any advice that might get me as high as you.

 

[TeCKis300]

One of my favorite rigs and what I would like to build my rig after when I grow up

Love that all the focus and effort has been to stuff big meats that ultimately make the largest difference off road. Stock suspension to boot.

37s on much of a stock platform is a proven recipe with Monica that has run the Baja 1000 multiple times with multiple wins. That kind of durability and result is something that's hard to argue with? I don't know that SFA is as compelling today as it was yesteryear. When Marlin Crawler RCLT HD independent setups are now a thing over SAS, King of Hammers seeing many successful IFS setups, and Bronco schooling Jeep on the capability of new architectures. I guess this would come down to use case. If rock crawling is the primary use, perhaps that would warrant SFA. If mixed use including on-road and higher speed open expanses, IFS is a keeper IMO. Especially when engineered as well as it has as part of the 200-series.

@MTKID - I keep noodling on how you can expand capability here. I'm thinking Tundra front arms with alignment to bring tires forward. It should allow more CV flexibility given long travel needing less CV angle, combined with longer CVs. Diff drop (again to help CV angles be preserved when pulling tires forward). Space down AHC shocks for more downtravel. Space down compression limiters so 40s don't get into the fender. Should be able to increase overall stroke, but lower in the suspension travel range. If you were local, I'd get my hands dirty with you to see it happen!

 

[MTKID]

One of my favorite rigs and what I would like to build my rig after when I grow up

Love that all the focus and effort has been to stuff big meats that ultimately make the largest difference off road. Stock suspension to boot.

37s on much of a stock platform is a proven recipe with Monica that has run the Baja 1000 multiple times with multiple wins. That kind of durability and result is something that's hard to argue with? I don't know that SFA is as compelling today as it was yesteryear. When Marlin Crawler RCLT HD independent setups are now a thing over SAS, King of Hammers seeing many successful IFS setups, and Bronco schooling Jeep on the capability of new architectures. I guess this would come down to use case. If rock crawling is the primary use, perhaps that would warrant SFA. If mixed use including on-road and higher speed open expanses, IFS is a keeper IMO. Especially when engineered as well as it has as part of the 200-series.

@MTKID - I keep noodling on how you can expand capability here. I'm thinking Tundra front arms with alignment to bring tires forward. It should allow more CV flexibility given long travel needing less CV angle, combined with longer CVs. Diff drop (again to help CV angles be preserved when pulling tires forward). Space down AHC shocks for more downtravel. Space down compression limiters so 40s don't get into the fender. Should be able to increase overall stroke, but lower in the suspension travel range. If you were local, I'd get my hands dirty with you to see it happen!

Thanks @TeCKis300 but don’t ever grow up or you’ll see the benefit of leaving a vehicle stock

I completely agree with IFS being quite capable and if Marlin had an option for our rigs, I think that would be the direction I would go. Since they don’t, my primary interest is slow crawling (yeah, I know this is a fat rig to be trying to crawl with), and I have local friends far more knowledgeable about SAS’s, I could see doing that.

I just haven’t wanted to bring the tires out any further than necessary. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Tundra swap a month ago, and decided to see where the 40’s land on the factory width first. Then I can do the Tundra swap if needed.

EDIT: and I don’t want to add a diff drop yet. In fact I feel like I might as well stay at whatever my current tire is, if going bigger requires a diff drop. I’d prefer to cut more sheet metal.

I’ll hopefully be making some progress this next week, with gears and lockers going in. 40’s are on their way so I’ll be committed to making them fit on the IFS for now. Hopefully things don’t grenade immediately but I can upgrade to RCV’s and ultimately a SAS if needed.

 

[Wicked0ne18]

Thanks @TeCKis300 but don’t ever grow up or you’ll see the benefit of leaving a vehicle stock

I completely agree with IFS being quite capable and if Marlin had an option for our rigs, I think that would be the direction I would go. Since they don’t, my primary interest is slow crawling (yeah, I know this is a fat rig to be trying to crawl with), and I have local friends far more knowledgeable about SAS’s, I could see doing that.

I just haven’t wanted to bring the tires out any further than necessary. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Tundra swap a month ago, and decided to see where the 40’s land on the factory width first. Then I can do the Tundra swap if needed.

EDIT: and I don’t want to add a diff drop yet. In fact I feel like I might as well stay at whatever my current tire is, if going bigger requires a diff drop. I’d prefer to cut more sheet metal.

I’ll hopefully be making some progress this next week, with gears and lockers going in. 40’s are on their way so I’ll be committed to making them fit on the IFS for now. Hopefully things don’t grenade immediately but I can upgrade to RCV’s and ultimately a SAS if needed.

Damn nice! Good to see some folks pushing the 200s. As always I’d love to see more videos of 35s,37s, 40s sizes.

 

[TeCKis300]

Thanks @TeCKis300 but don’t ever grow up or you’ll see the benefit of leaving a vehicle stock

I completely agree with IFS being quite capable and if Marlin had an option for our rigs, I think that would be the direction I would go. Since they don’t, my primary interest is slow crawling (yeah, I know this is a fat rig to be trying to crawl with), and I have local friends far more knowledgeable about SAS’s, I could see doing that.

I just haven’t wanted to bring the tires out any further than necessary. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Tundra swap a month ago, and decided to see where the 40’s land on the factory width first. Then I can do the Tundra swap if needed.

EDIT: and I don’t want to add a diff drop yet. In fact I feel like I might as well stay at whatever my current tire is, if going bigger requires a diff drop. I’d prefer to cut more sheet metal.

I’ll hopefully be making some progress this next week, with gears and lockers going in. 40’s are on their way so I’ll be committed to making them fit on the IFS for now. Hopefully things don’t grenade immediately but I can upgrade to RCV’s and ultimately a SAS if needed.

I happen to be working under the car today and staring at the rear axle setup. Day dreaming about extending the wheelbase and move the rear axle further rearward. Doesn't look half bad if I were to commit to hacking things up. Maybe one day when she doesn't have to be the tow warrior...

Interested in your thoughts as to why no to diff drops?

 

[MTKID]

I would like to bring the rear axle further back too. Not much, but how much would justify the effort is the question. In my mind 1-2” is sufficient but seems like possibly a lot of work. Main 4 links are the easy part. But panhard bar seems like it would be challenging and then does the cross member also need to move back? Does the diff encounter the cross member when moved back? It will be up on a rack on Monday and I should be able to take a closer look.

Regarding the diff drop, I didn’t want to reduce the clearance under there. Don’t get me wrong, I had one on my 100 and feel it was likely necessary to keep the CV’s happy for the lift I had (cranking the torsion bars ), but if I can cut to fit a larger tire rather than raise the suspension, I’d still rather do that. Keeping the suspension closer to stock geometry seems like a good idea.

40’s tuck in the rear surprisingly well when one wheel is flexed up and compressed… I’ll need to have some body work done to allow straight up compression w/o interference. That is w/o also dropping the bumpstops down quite a bit.

This was a 40” before the body lift. Should have about 1 3/8” more clearance above it in that area currently, but this is also without any wheel spacers in the back, and I think I’ll add a 3/4” to bring the rear closer to the width of what I’ll need in the front. Front will start with 1”. (Currently running 3/4” spacer in front. Nothing in the rear)

The below pictures were just starting to engage the bumpstops and lift the passenger tire, but I could still roll this tire with a little squeaking from it touching the fender.

And the 40” in front in AHC low sitting just off the bumpstops. This is a current photo with the body lift…