MSDS Question

[D'Animal]

I am updating the MSDS Sheets and General information for compliance of the ISO standards.

Does anybody know what quantity of a substance you have to have on site to warrant an MSDS Sheet in the State of California?

In the Janitorial Closet I have 2 cans of Lysol Disinfectant Spray, two quart size bottles of Pine Sol and two cans of glass cleaner.

The other 40 or so items I have by the pallet loads I have obtained the MSDS Sheets on.


I figured the FireFighters of the group would know off the top of thier head.

Thanks

 

[splitshot]

Good question.We keep MSDS sheets on all the pesticides/chemicals on hand.
What about the one can of Braklean, starting fluid, or the can of upside-down marking paint?

 

[D'Animal]

Exactly

Good question.We keep MSDS sheets on all the pesticides/chemicals on hand.
What about the one can of Braklean, starting fluid, or the can of upside-down marking paint?

I was told we must have it for "Everything". There has to be a level of common sense within the regulations.

Note:
A bottle of "White Out" or "Liquid Paper" is flamable so under the letter of the law, I should have an MSDS sheet on it.

 

[Chang-kuao-lo]

non-dairy creamer is also flammable...

 

[nomembername]

Does California abide by the HCS? HCS doesn't stipulate minimums since some chemicals are highly toxic even in near trace amounts, while others you could bathe in. HCS does, however, exempt the following:

(b)(5)(ii)

Any chemical substance or mixture as such terms are defined in the Toxic Substances Control Act (15 U.S.C. 2601 et seq.), when subject to the labeling requirements of that Act and labeling regulations issued under that Act by the Environmental Protection Agency;

(b)(5)(v)

Any consumer product or hazardous substance as those terms are defined in the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2051 et seq.) and Federal Hazardous Substances Act (15 U.S.C. 1261 et seq.) respectively, when subject to a consumer product safety standard or labeling requirement of those Acts, or regulations issued under those Acts by the Consumer Product Safety Commission; and,

(b)(6)(ix)

Any consumer product or hazardous substance, as those terms are defined in the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2051 et seq.) and Federal Hazardous Substances Act (15 U.S.C. 1261 et seq.) respectively, where the employer can show that it is used in the workplace for the purpose intended by the chemical manufacturer or importer of the product, and the use results in a duration and frequency of exposure which is not greater than the range of exposures that could reasonably be experienced by consumers when used for the purpose intended;


That said, OSHA requires an MSDS for quantities as small as 2 ounces of Ammonia, but they don't typically stipulate minimum quantities. Are you going by Cali or OSHA?

More info is available at Where to find MSDS on the Internet - they actually get into the regs instead of just being a MSDS clearinghouse.

 

[D'Animal]

Thanks Nomembername

We are in a new facility. The New Firemashall recomended I get the MSDS info on the chemical bottles hanging on the wall.

I looked at him and said "Really? I have to get MSDS on the 2 properly date coded sealed bottles of saline solution that is part of the Eye Wash Station they are connected to. Really?" The Eye wash station is the standard OSHA Eye Wash Station Big Green plastic board with the bottles mounted to it.

I think he realized I was losing my cool with him and he decided to leave. He will be back in less than 6 weeks for a random inspection. I want to have all of the documentation ready in case I am not in when he visits.

 

[inthewall]

I deal with MSHA, they want msds on everything. Even diesel in my pickup transfer tanks and windex.

 

[D'Animal]

inthewall Thanks

I completely forgot about the fuel in the fuel cabinet.

I have the MSDS on Windex, Gojo Hand Cleaner and WD 40.

I may just write and enforce a policy that anything the janitorial service brings in they must provide the MSDS on it. Same goes for the rest of the staff. I just cannot find MSDS on some of the products. I will follow the link nomembername posted and see if I can find more of them.

Thanks

 

[inthewall]

Have the company that sells you the products, email you the msds. Also, most are found online from the manufacturer. It's a pain in the ***. It really sucks when my employees are purchasing materials that I don't have on my msds sheets. I'm just lucky I haven't been checked. MSHA and OSHA have to fund themselves now, they are looking for any thing. I just found out teeth and cutting edges, for my heavy equipment have to have an msds document. Where does it end.

 

[D'Animal]

I received a little clarification this morning.

I found that the only items in a facility that do not require them are food products or items for human consumption. Vinegar is considered human consumption product.

The Abrasive wheels and Diamond Wheels for cutting steel, concrete and asphalt have MSDS sheets on them. If you have grinding wheels for a 4" disc grinder, you should have a MSDS on them.

 

[D'Animal]

Here is another website that I have found extremely usefull for anybody else going through this proccess.

MSDS On File™

 

[Mace]

Aint this fun,
I have to make sure that ALL the products on drilling sites have MSDS sheets on them.

 

[nspctr1]

I had to do the same thing when I was working for a local municipality and it's a huge pita. Basically, everything shall have a msds unless it is consumable by humans. toner cartridges were a huge pita because there were so many different brands etc.

 

[D'Animal]

I guess I better do the toner cartridges now.

Um, Thanks?

 

[-Spike-]

Someone could make a living off of publishing books containing every MSDS sheet available. With regular updates. Hmmm...

 

[splitshot]

Good grief, Not like I already have enough to do..

 

[ToyotaDon]

Our safety and compliance people have a website set up with everything we have on hand, plus a searchable database with almost everything else.

I can give you the name of their company if you want.

 

[D'Animal]

I kinda doubt a Toyota dealership has the same stuff we do.

Our safety and compliance people have a website set up with everything we have on hand, plus a searchable database with almost everything else.

I can give you the name of their company if you want.

Maybe you do. How is your supply if wintergrade biodegradable bar and chain lubricant? LOL

 

[nomembername]

I grew up in a HazMat transportation business, we had just over 500 tank trailers, 413 company trucks and 120-130 owner operators.

We had to have MSDS (when they came around) for EVERYTHING in addition to logs, bills of lading, DOT documentation, permit paperwork, placarding paperwork, and so on. Don't miss it a bit.

Windshield washer fluid has MSDS sheets depending on summer or winter, concentrate or dilute. The soap we used for washing trucks had MSDS, so did the hand cleaner, the toilet cleaner, the floor cleaner, the window cleaner, the computer cleaner, the coper cleaner, the postage machine cleaner, and so on. We had three filing cabinets full of MSDS for office, parts, and shop. THEN we had a room of MSDS for chemicals we handled.

When we shut down it was four days of getting rid of paperwork in a burn barrel, celebrating.

 

[fsusteve]

I believe there are some software programs now for maintaining a list of MSDS sheets, I'll have to see if I can remember the name of it. In our State, not only do you have to have copies but you're supposed to mail copies to the local FD, the stupidity here is that no-one wants them or reads them as there are numerous software programs for FD's to use on their hazmat laptops which has specific firefighting info pertinent to the product.