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[Black Rhino 13]

My MPP will be here tomorrow. I expect it will be very useful. The thing is you still need all the recovery gear, straps, etc.., no matter what kind of winch you have.

So you can buy a 6-ton electric winch for, say $1500 +/-, a 6-ton tirfor/wire puller for more (the $400 models aren't 6-ton), or the MPP for under $300, nearly half that with steel cable. I'm not sure how many feet of cable electric winches come with, but you can add lighter, safer synthetic rope or straps to use with the MPP. I'm also getting a winch-mount ARB bumper and I still wouldn't mind getting a winch up front too, but now I'm in no rush and can just wait to find one used for a really good deal.

The Tractel tirfor comes up a lot in searches. Not cheap!

TRACTEL® | Tirfor® – Wire rope winch

High Gear Tirfor

Tirfor TU series & Tirfor T500 Series pull all jockey from Patroller Supply

Rigging Products, Inc. Sales Online: 18.K Griphoist-Tirfor

 

[Wile E Coyote]

I ordered my MPP today. I ordered the 3-ton from CSP Outdoors which ships for free. That saved me over $40 right there. I ordered the extra handle and the extension handle directly from Wyeth-Scott, as CSP doesn't carry the 3-ton extension handle. I received an email that UPS already has the package from W-S...not just the shipping label being created but the package. Can't complain about that kinda service!

 

[Black Rhino 13]

Free shipping? Nice! I just spoke to guy nearby tonight who was pissed because he broke a tooth off the gear of an MPP recently on the first use. He was doing something to a hay baler I think. Hope we have better experiences. Just a note. Mine arrives tomorrow.

 

[41magsnub]

I just ordered a power puller as well.

Whoa.. another Missoula guy in here as well!

 

[Black Rhino 13]

41magsnub - We are few. I did see a moded out new FJ last night with a Slee fairlead though. I'm a newbie to 'Mud and to Missoula. Is there a group of any sort here?

 

[41magsnub]

Got mine yesterday. It works well, at least it can drag an 11 yo kid across the carpet!

Next weekend when I go out I'm going to try to use it to pull my cruiser up a side hill for a proper test.

 

[Black Rhino 13]

Cool. I just opened mine yesterday at my storage unit. I seem to have three handles? One seems to be the extension, but it has a blue rubber handle on one end. So, I'm going to have to look more closely at it. Got my M8000 mounted yesterday too but it's not wired up yet. Let me know if you need backup out there!

 

[Wile E Coyote]

Mine showed up last week. it'll get tested out later as I'm mid project on the cruiser currently.

Both the handles have blue grips, but the extension is swaged to fit into the regular handle after you slip the blue grip off. You have 3 handles because the 3rd is intended to be carried as a spare.

 

[Black Rhino 13]

Yeah, I ordered a spare so I knew which one that was. I just wasn't sure why the extension has a blue handle.

 

[77cruiser77]

so what are people going for on this, the 2-ton or 3-ton? I like to stay safe with the 12,000 pulling capacity opposed to the 8000 pulling capacity but the 3-ton only has a 20 foot cable single line while the 2-ton has 35 foot cable single line

 

[Yukon LX]

3 ton, its easy to add a winch extension strap. I have 100 feet of cable off a warn 9k for emergencies that need a lot of reach. go with the more power.

 

[Black Rhino 13]

Get the synthetic cable on the 3-ton model and you get 35 feet of cable again plus no issues with rust or danger from the steel cable ever breaking then whipping out and causing damage. 3-ton rating is for dead lift. It's 6-ton for horizontal pulling.

When I ordered mine I also got 2 x 5 foot cables and 1 x 50 foot cable to go along with my other recovery and winch extension straps. Don't forget the extension and extra handle as the handle is designed to give before the winch does. It's the fail point.

 

[e9999]

as an aside, these manufacturer claims about 3 tons overhead and 6 ton horizontal etc are of course pure nonsense. If the winch can only pull 3 tons vertically, it can only pull 3 tons horizontally too. As in 3 tons of horizontal force. They're sort of implying that a 6 ton weight truck would only be pulled horizontally by a 3 ton force but that is of course nonsensical since it depends on the surface, being stuck or not etc.
3tons force rating is 3 tons force, no matter the direction.

 

[Black Rhino 13]

Yes. I agree it needs to be said. The 2:1 ratio is just a common, generic advertising mumbo jumbo. MPP does say that on their site.

Per Wyeth Scott:

"**Pull/drag ratings are for comparison only. Winches and a few pullers are rated this way. Although there are too many variables (i.e., mud, snow, paved surface, slope, type of object being dragged) to determine a scientific drag/pull rating, the commonly used ratio is 2:1."

 

[77cruiser77]

Thanks guys. I think thats what I'll do then with the synthetic line. 35 feet is a big deal not because of the fact of putting an extension cable on it but sometimes it seems like you use up a good half of your cable on a puller just taking in all the slack in the line before you actually begin to pull your vehicle out

 

[bigdaddy37]

as an aside, these manufacturer claims about 3 tons overhead and 6 ton horizontal etc are of course pure nonsense. If the winch can only pull 3 tons vertically, it can only pull 3 tons horizontally too. As in 3 tons of horizontal force. They're sort of implying that a 6 ton weight truck would only be pulled horizontally by a 3 ton force but that is of course nonsensical since it depends on the surface, being stuck or not etc.
3tons force rating is 3 tons force, no matter the direction.

Just came across this thread looking for info on a handwinch. IMO this isn't quite accurate. The amount of force required to overcome friction and move an object across a horizontal surface is generally less than the force required to overcome gravity and lift an object straight up. For example, a person can push a car down the road, but they cannot lift that car off the ground. Granted the surface you're pulling on is a variable, pavement is different than dirt and mud/sand is different again. But the principle that a horizontal pull requires less force than a vertical lift is sound.

 

[Black Rhino 13]

Agreed, advertising language aside, one can expect this object to manipulate at least 6000 pounds of resistance.

I can push a 6000 lb vehicle but I certainly can't lift it.

 

[Yukon LX]

i pulled my 100 out of bumper deep red clay up hill with mine. It really is a great tool. I had my highlift handle over the mpp handle for more leverage, but it is extremely strong, especially when you use the built in snatch block. My rig is well over 6000lb and it pulled it just fine in a deep stuck situation. I highly recommend this tool. However, i wish i had gone with the a amsteel. This steel cable builds up fast on the spool. The mpp will not let you down if you are looking for a solid hand winch.

 

[Black Rhino 13]

"This steel cable builds up fast on the spool."

I never thought of that. I have the Amsteel synthetic cable but haven't had to use it yet. But, yeah, the synthetic probably stretches out thinner giving you more gear advantage on the spool than using steel cable. Good point!

 

[80t0ylc]

Just came across this thread looking for info on a handwinch. IMO this isn't quite accurate. The amount of force required to overcome friction and move an object across a horizontal surface is generally less than the force required to overcome gravity and lift an object straight up. For example, a person can push a car down the road, but they cannot lift that car off the ground. Granted the surface you're pulling on is a variable, pavement is different than dirt and mud/sand is different again.....

Force is different than weight. 3 tons of force, whether it be horizontal or vertical is it's limit. It may be able to move an object weighing 6 tons horizontal as long as the force involved doesn't exceed 3 tons. No mystery to this.

...... But the principle that a horizontal pull requires less force than a vertical lift is sound.

Agreed, advertising language aside, one can expect this object to manipulate at least 6000 pounds of resistance.

I can push a 6000 lb vehicle but I certainly can't lift it.

This isn't rocket science. All things being equal (flat surface, no mud, etc...), not the determining factor here, but the invention of the wheel makes the biggest difference in moving things horizontally as opposed to vertically.