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i built my 2F along the same line as MAF, using thier RV cam and boring the block.
a few other odds and ends add ons and it runs great.

i'd do it again.
 
But doesn't Jim C. do complete 2F's as well?
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Good question. Will look into it.

i built my 2F along the same line as MAF, using thier RV cam and boring the block.
a few other odds and ends add ons and it runs great.

i'd do it again.
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Thanks, good to know. What is the power and fuel mileage like compared to stock?
 
82cruiser said:
Good question. Will look into it.

Thanks, good to know. What is the power and fuel mileage like compared to stock?
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power is a whole lot better
i was at one time getting 17mpg (yes! 17mpg ;))
i haven't driven it in over two years so i'm not what currant milage is.
 
82cruiser said:
I searched but was unable to find anything in depth.

Does anyone have any experience with MAF's high performance 2F?

MAF Hi-Performance 2F & 3F Engines

Is it worth it to rework a 2F or would it be too much $ for the return? Reliability issues?

Thanks
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Ok, I'll ask, what are you going to put it in?
 
Tedd rebuilds them too. Not sure of the MAF price but Tedd was $4000 I believe. Save you shipping.....

Good thinking though. I like the idea.
 
big daddy chris aka bigredfj40 has a pretty worked 2f...you may want to pm him
 
There's a guy in the parts section selling a 2F that his father built with zero miles for $1500. His father is a pro mechanic. Dig around a bit before you spend.

Shaun's 40 in Dover, MA (pumpkin colored 40) has a rebuilt 2F with about 2,000 miles on it and runs great. Buy his 40, help the brother out and part out the rest. You'd have an essentially new 2F for next to nothing.
 
Ok, I'll ask, what are you going to put it in?
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The HG in the troopy blew this summer and I need to fix it. As much as I like a 2H, it's not a good solution for how I want to use the truck and want something with more power and better access to parts. I've been considering a V8, but bastardizing an oem truck is not a great idea for a number of reasons.

The MAF 2F has always been intriguing but I know little about them and no one seems to know how much power they put out. I emailed MAF to see if they have any dyno data so we'll see what they say. Keeping a Toyota motor in it would be nice, would help resale value, and would probably make it easier to sell to Flipper in 10 years :D. So, just researching for now.

Shaun's 40 in Dover, MA (pumpkin colored 40) has a rebuilt 2F with about 2,000 miles on it and runs great. Buy his 40, help the brother out and part out the rest. You'd have an essentially new 2F for next to nothing.
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No time or space for a project like that. Heck, the troopy has been on jack stands for months! That and I enjoy being married.

big daddy chris aka bigredfj40 has a pretty worked 2f...you may want to pm him
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Didn't know Chris' was built and will drop him a line. Thanks.
 
What are you looking to do with it as far as using it? I know the 2h is tough to get parts for, but I am not sure if the numbers for the 2f are that much better. I don't see any numbers listed for the MAF engine at all.(I did a quick look, I'm sure someone has them) Plus... another $1k for a core. You're already at 5k just for engine stuff, never mind everything else you would be changing up. I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but if you're talking about spending that much already you could even look at getting a newer stronger diesel. There is the turbo option for the 2h as well.



Little change of engine, but awhile back I looked up the horsepower and torque of the H engine and it was roughly the same as the 22re I had in my mini....doh!
 
Sporin said:
Not sure, it certainly sounds nice.

But doesn't Jim C. do complete 2F's as well?
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Jim DOES do complete 2F motors, you will need to contact him for prices, but from my conversations with him he is very competitive. Just returned from visiting Jim tonight. There are a couple motors in for rebuild right now. Randy, if you need a core for Jim to build from I can deliver him a couple choices, if he doesn't have one, so you don't have to ship yours here. IMHO Jim builds a better motor than most for the money. His price might seem higher but he has more experience than most 2F builders today and it shows in the quality of his work.

Nick
 
Shipping from the farthest point in the country isn't going to be cheap even if it's ground freight. Then you have to find/buy a core then ship that back to CA or pay the extra $1K. Essentially you're looking at $5K plus freight.

Even though it's a performance 2F I'm sure you could get a similar one here in New England from someone. Freight and core is going to kill you.
 
I think Yooper on this list has a MAF 2f in his fj55 up in upper michigan it came way of IPOR and if I remeber the posts right they original owner of the pig (todd Kaderbeck (TT editor)and Lance thought it was the strongest 2f they had seen.
that said I have had 2 carbs rebuilt by Jim C. and would highly recommend himas a mechanical rebuilder. I high powered 2 f would be a great solution for the troopy so much horsepower to gain out of a 2f.

Or if the fj62 doesn't sell on ebay this week end i think I am resigned to part it out you could get a well built 3fe (ballanced fuel injectors bored out throttle body, ceramic headers, ect ect. for prolly less than what the parts resellers sell them for. prolly. a fuel injected 3fe infront of an h55 would be a very fuel effeciant combo.

but it might sell so i would realy look into Jim C for your engine.

jason
 
82cruiser said:
Is it worth it to rework a 2F or would it be too much $ for the return? Reliability issues?
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Randy, thanks for writing. Building any Toyota engine is expensive, compared to a VW beetle or a SBC. But when Toyota reliability and durability are factored in, the price seems more reasonable.

Yes, I build 2F engines w/ higher efficiency and more durability than stock.
However, I have had several problems w/ shipping engines to morons who could not manage a proper install. This results in me being blamed for the problem, because the installer is either:
a. too poor to accept financial responsibilty for their mistake or
b. too stupid to understand the nature of the mistakes.

Current policy is to only build AND install engines. I no longer fix outside ****ups in the name of shop goodwill. It only encourages the morons.

That being said, I think a 2F would be an excellent upgrade to your truck. Since it is already H powered, the tranny will bolt up. Exhaust routing is the same. The FSM shows different frame mounts for 6x & 7x truck frames for F vs H engines. FSM does not show any difference in frames between F & H powered 4x series, so the H mounts may not need torched off and replaced w/ 2F frame mounts from a junk frame. Not positive, but I suspect the radiator and shroud would be close, if not the same. A built, non-smog 4.4L 2F would be noticeably peppier than even a fresh 2H. And fuel consumption w/ reasonable driving will be in the 15-16MPG range. Hardest part of the swap: throttle linkage. And that is not insurmountable.

HTH! :cheers:
 
FJ40Jim said:
However, I have had several problems w/ shipping engines to morons who could not manage a proper install. :cheers:
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So you're saying you won't ship to Randy then?? ;)

I'm sure if it shipped to Wally you would have nothing to worry about.
 
Unfortunately, there is no accurate way to gage moronic amplitude through the interweb. :lol:


Actually, I would be happy to ship an engine to Randy or Wally, but I can't offer any warranty once somebody else has installed it.:frown:
 
Originally Posted by FJ40Jim
That being said, I think a 2F would be an excellent upgrade to your truck. Since it is already H powered, the tranny will bolt up. Exhaust routing is the same. The FSM shows different frame mounts for 6x & 7x truck frames for F vs H engines. FSM does not show any difference in frames between F & H powered 4x series, so the H mounts may not need torched off and replaced w/ 2F frame mounts from a junk frame. Not positive, but I suspect the radiator and shroud would be close, if not the same. A built, non-smog 4.4L 2F would be noticeably peppier than even a fresh 2H. And fuel consumption w/ reasonable driving will be in the 15-16MPG range. Hardest part of the swap: throttle linkage. And that is not insurmountable.

HTH! :cheers:
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Jim - it does help and thanks for your input. I'll shoot you an email with some additional questions.

Do you know of anyone who has dyno'd a built 2F? Wondering what the HP & TQ potential is without compromising reliability.

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So you're saying you won't ship to Randy then?? ;)
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Looks like I need a new agent. :flipoff2:
 
If I remember, BigRedFJ40 was in the 180HP range. I have driven that truck. Pretty snotty for a 2F. He had James Asti build it eons ago.

Believe it or not, one of the fastest non v8 cruisers I have driven was a stock $500 truck I bought with a reman engine with a header and a holley. That thing was pretty quick in a straight line. Useless off road with the unmodified holley, however.


Are you still planning to tow with it? If so, butchering it with a v8 is really your only choice. You can buy a whole v8 truck with an sm465 for under a grand on craigslist if you look hard enough. Part the rest to make back your cash.

I passed on a 88k full size tbi Blazer with a 350, 700R4 and a 7' plow for $400 last year. My FIL bought it, and has been plowing with it since. If I had the coin at the time, that would be in my rig.
 
Originally Posted by rabid
Are you still planning to tow with it? If so, butchering it with a v8 is really your only choice. You can buy a whole v8 truck with an sm465 for under a grand on craigslist if you look hard enough. Part the rest to make back your cash.
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Not so much, which opens up different options than a V8. The main goal is having an engine that can easily move the troopy and provides enough power for it to get out of its own way when loaded with people, gear, and the M101. A V8 makes sense from a cost & power point of view, but the butchering factor looms heavy :eek:.

Getting a used project truck to cherry pick parts and sell the rest makes good sense, it just further complicates the process and effort. Pondering...:hhmm:.
 
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