LX470 Torsion Bar Adjustment

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That is a valid question :D torsion bars are original. However instead of conventional dampers I installed coiled shocks for the reason that I won’t have to replace torsion bars. Vehicle already had them when I bought it so I replaced them with the same ones. Height was okay after the replacement as well but I screwed up by touching the torsion bars now I’m just trying going back to the same height. Since there’s too much tension on the shocks/squished too much they aren’t performing well
 
That is a valid question :D torsion bars are original. However instead of conventional dampers I installed coiled shocks for the reason that I won’t have to replace torsion bars. Vehicle already had them when I bought it so I replaced them with the same ones. Height was okay after the replacement as well but I screwed up by touching the torsion bars now I’m just trying going back to the same height. Since there’s too much tension on the shocks/squished too much they aren’t performing well
 
So you have coilovers and torsion bars? Do you know your effective spring rates? Are Tbars even supposed to be used with the coilovers?
 
So you have coilovers and torsion bars? Do you know your effective spring rates? Are Tbars even supposed to be used with the coilovers?
I’m not sure of effective spring rate but I just installed them so I don’t have to replace torsion bars which sagged further when I twisted to balance them (driver side was sitting about a inch lower). It was riding fine until then. I wouldn’t wanna fool around by taking torsion bars off just to see if coilover will support it cs I’m pretty sure it’ll make it worse and the previous owner had them in too
 
Pictures would definitely help to see your suspension setup and camber issue
 
Pictures would definitely help to see your suspension setup and camber issue
I tried taking these ones. Lemme know if any other angle helps

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It’s Monroe sensa trac 58518
It looks like those are made for Fords. To increase your ride height you need to replace the torsion bars with aftermarket and put appropriate shocks to replace those. There are no coil over kits for the 100 series land cruiser.
 
It looks like those are made for Fords. To increase your ride height you need to replace the torsion bars with aftermarket and put appropriate shocks to replace those. There are no coil over kits for the 100 series land cruiser.
You’re right. It already had them when I bought it so I just replaced with same ones hoping I won’t have to replace torsion bars but looks like I’m just gonna have to relace them now. Any recommendations for after market bars?
 
You’re right. It already had them when I bought it so I just replaced with same ones hoping I won’t have to replace torsion bars but looks like I’m just gonna have to relace them now. Any recommendations for after market bars?
If you just replace the Ford shocks with correct Oem shocks it may solve your problem.
 
If you just replace the Ford shocks with correct Oem shocks it may solve your problem.
AHC no longer works so I did instal Gabriel shocks before putting these ones but it got worse as the bars had to be changed with it so I was inclined to put ford ones for now.
 
Maybe I missed it, but isn't the quick and easy answer here to source used oem Toyota torsion bars (should be very cheap) and new oem shocks for $40 each and ditch whatever's on there now?

Getting that part torsion/part coil spring balance correct is going to be a miracle. You'd have to find a coil spring for something ~40% lighter than a 100 (assuming similar geometry, which is probably a bad assumption) that also happens to have a shock tuned for the combined spring rate in the 100. Pretty sure that's not going to exist in an off the shelf assembly.

Conversely, installing the OEM stuff is pretty foolproof.
 
AHC no longer works so I did instal Gabriel shocks before putting these ones but it got worse as the bars had to be changed with it so I was inclined to put ford ones for now.
Your options are 1.install stock land cruiser tbars and shocks or 2.buy complete lift kit from ome/dobinsons/ironman. They start fairly affordably.
I think most would have done this when they removed ahc.
Also, what did you replace the rear ahc shocks with?
 
Dampers I installed were OEM but without land cruiser t bars they didn’t work. Dont wanna strip it myself so was looking for someone who could instal t bars. Called couple of guys around in Calgary but no one seemed to know how this works. Still work in process lol
 
Dampers I installed were OEM but without land cruiser t bars they didn’t work. Dont wanna strip it myself so was looking for someone who could instal t bars. Called couple of guys around in Calgary but no one seemed to know how this works. Still work in process lol

Professional mechanics didn't know how torsion bars work? Or shocks? This gets more mysterious by the post, haha.
 
The lower control arm bushings work within a certain range when locked down. The torsion bar is connected to the lower control arm via two bolts and provides tension on the lower control arm. If the TB is adjusted without loosening the lca bushings at the time of adjustment, you are dealing with opposing forces. The TB is is pushing the arm downward and the bushing is counteracting it because it is not in a resting state. It is torquing the arm upward in order to achieve the resting state of the bushing. It will wear prematurely because it is binding, in addition to squirrely handling.

When I adjust my TB's, I loosen the lower control arm bolts while in the air, adjust the TB's, lower the vehicle (the lca bushings will move into proper position at this point), then lock down the control arm bushings on level ground once the height has been achieved. The bushings are now in a "zero" state with no pre-load. Then the alignment can be done.
Apologies in advance for digging up an old post, but I cross levelled the front of my 2000 LX470 today and this part really confused me. The driver's side was a bit low (not much, only about 1/2") so my plan was to only crank up the driver's side torsion bar until they were even. (Tomorrow I'm planning to connect the VCI cable and read out the neutral pressures in Techstream and adjust both torsion bars evenly until it's in spec).

After first soaking everything in PB Blaster, I tried loosening the 30mm hex nut on the rear bushing. 3 foot breaker bar...nothing. Snap-On MG725 1/2" air impact...nothing. So I tried the hex nut on the front bushing...exact same result. Then I tried the impact on the front bushing bolt instead of the nut, and it loosened instantly. It threaded out very smoothly. I went back to the hex nut, and it STILL wouldn't move. Both of them are acting exactly as if they are welded to the lower control arm. I can't see any visible welds, and the 2004 Land Cruiser factory service manual (I don't have the 2000 LX470 manual) shows these hex nuts are separate pieces. Maybe they have lugs or some other type of interlocking feature that keeps them from rotating, but allows them to come off once the bolt is completely unthreaded.

But in either case, how do you loosen the REAR bushing when the head of that bolt is covered underneath the torsion bar? I can't find any reference to torsion bar adjustments in the 2004 LC FSM, but it does specify that the torsion bar is to be removed before removing the lower control arm, for what little that's worth.

Anyway, I tightened the driver's side torsion bar 4 rotations, measured, and then 4 more rotations. After tightening the front bolt back up, lowering it to N, and driving it, I remeasured the front ride height and now the driver's side is only about 1/8" lower than the passenger side, which I'm quite happy with. I took it for a 34 mile test drive afterwards and it felt great, no odd handling behavior, but I'm still a bit concerned about that rear bushing. Plus, I'm going to be adjusting both sides again tomorrow.

Certainly I could remove both torsion bars, loosen all four bolts, set the cross leveling as close as humanly possible with hydraulic jacks, then tighten the bolts, reinstall the torsion bars, and set the neutral pressure with Techstream, but that sounds like an insanely overcomplicated way to cross level the front end and nobody else has mentioned anything that involved.
 

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