Low sulphur deisel not allowed

[saskdiesel]

Here is an earlier thread.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=88973

I am waiting to see what happens to these early pumps and what it will cost for additives before buying another Toyota diesel.
I guess this had to happen sooner or later.

 

[monton]

Not retarded at all, it's a useful attempt to clean up the foul air in cities.

Fair enough. I just don't like the idea of doing away with deisel. Sure, if we all went electric or fuel cell one day, I would be 100 percent behind that. But a VW tdi that gets over 1000 kms out of a tank of deisel also seems like a good idea to me right now.

Driving through Washington State last weekend I saw all these big Ford/Chevy/Dodge gas powered trucks, a lot of them with V-10 engines pulling 5th wheels behind them. I wonder what kind of gas mileage they get. Seems to me they should start making changes in the production of these vehicles. I don't see any of these big types of vehicles in Europe where gas is close to $3/litre. No, I see mostly deisel.

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

Sulphur in diesels with oxygen in the air = SO2 (sulphur dioxide), number one cause of acid rain in the country in addition to numerous other health and pollution effects. These are Bush era environmental regulations to show how overcalled for they were.. Also, biggest reason there are not more diesels on the road is because of emissions problems from poor-emissions American diesel fuel. After this hickup I think we will be seeing many more diesels on the road. Apparently numerous manufacturers have them slated for production including Toyota, BMW, possibly Honda, and a slew of others... many of which are claiming because of the introduction of ultra low sulphur diesel fuel.. FWIW...

 

[108Cruz]

I've read that the European / Asian manufactures are just waiting for the US and Canada to bring in ULSD and then there will be an influx of modern Diesel veh's to North America.

 

[ChuckB]

Great info, very interested to see how this plays out...

 

[Island Moose]

If it is do you guys still plan to run conditioner cause that stuff isn't cheap. QUOTE]
i have told people for years that the fuel economy savings of diesels over gassers are quickly offset by repair bills..

Wayne, I wonder if you'll need to revise that concept if (when) gasoline hits $1.30/L this summer?....Pray that diesel hovers around a buck.

 

[monton]

Is this for sale at all yet in the Edmonton area? I'm just wondering what the price is like... or will be. I'm sure everybody will hope for not much of an increase. If it is similar to the cost of biodeisel, how similar are these two products to run, if at all?

 

[Technikev]

My mother, who works for an Esso bulk plant up in northern BC, is expecting their first order of the ULSD next week. She does not yet know what the cost is, but expect about 5-6 cents per litre extra.

-kevin

 

[Red Herring]

This new diesel is throwing a lot of stuff off kilter...for example, VW will not have any TDI's for the '07 model year. In fact, they're no longer bringing in any more TDIs. I'd considered replacing my current TDI Jetta with a newer one, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen until '08 at least.

So it looks like for new diesel passenger vehicles, it's only Daimler-Chrysler.

If that is the case then they must be somehow reformulating the diesel as well as making it low sulfur. Europe has had low sulphur diesel for years, so why wouldn't they be able to provide cars to run on the new North merican diesel? Not to mention what effect is it going to have on older diesels... aside from lubricity.

 

[brownbear]

For interest sake I read a manual from Petro Canada, printed when this fuel first came out. (1995 ish) This was the low sulfer fuel, not the ultra low.

They said from tests done they found that in line injection pumps did not have any unusual problems or wear. But the rotory pumps do not fair as well with low lubricity.

So in Question about how will older diesel work on this stuff, I imagine they will be fine, old diesels burn anything. Its the computer designed stuff that might have problems.

 

[fe sus]

thanks for the assurence that my trusty old 3B will burn this new ULSD stuff if I ever need to... but I was fairly certain that if old diesels can burn hot grease they can burn new fancy diesel. i'm a bio-diesel guy myself. Years ago I worked on many a military airbase and one of the annoying task that I had to perform some nights was to check the quality of the JP-8 in our plane. To do this I'd usually jump in a little diesel tug with a chevy small block and drive it out to the plane. After using this little bottle-on-a pole thing to test each fuel tank I'd just dump it straight into the tug's tank. Never had any problems with it.

 

[brownbear]

I run my tug(aircraft) at work on Jet a-1. I add lube conditioner to it. Can't tell the difference. Its an inline pump too.

 

[fe sus]

Not suggesting that Jet a-1 and ULSD are the same... I wouldn't put ULSD in an aircraft (unless I really needed to) but I would put Jet A-1 into just about any diesel car/truck, perhaps adding a lube to condition the fuel.

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

good article about ULSD that just came out...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060605/ts_csm/adiesel

 

[brownbear]

Are you suggesting that jet a-1 and ULS diesel are the same?
Are you in Western Canada?

Nope.

Yes.

Jet A-1 I have been told is essentially arctic diesel.

ULS diesel could be run in a Turbine engine. They essentially burn anything, including gasoline. But have restrictions to how long you can run alternate fuels. As the gas doesn't have the lubrication needed for the fuel control or fuel pumps. As well it may leave residue on the turbines. But in a pinch, no problem.

 

[brownbear]

Taken from the yahoo article.

"Once the new diesel rule is fully implemented in 2030, it is expected to yield a 90 percent cut in pollution from the nation's 13 million diesel trucks and buses. That would mean more than 8,000 premature deaths averted each year and about $70 billion annually in health benefits as a result of cleaner air, the EPA estimates."

What a crock, 2030?? They never even mention what rule they are referring too? but why so far in the future.....

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

answer to question about delay in implementation: expensive lobbying by automotive manufacturers, 90% of slowness under the pretenses of "jobs" and "hurt the american economy." All I can say is at least it happened, finally...

 

[brownbear]

I spoke today with our bulk dealer and he estimates that the ULSD we're now getting will be 2 or 3 cents more per litre. I consider that an insignificant increase for the additional benefits.

In Northern Canada, Arctic motor diesel [aka #1 winter diesel], Kerosene, Arctic stove oil, and Jet fuel are all the same product. The difference is in the specific additives for the motor and turbine fuels and the taxes levied.

Interesting too is a colour difference. And I smell a difference. Not sure what extra chemicals go into Jet fuel... but it is stinkier.

Jet fuel here is about $1.30 a liter so taxed a bit different. Air Canada would not pay retail prices tho like we do.

 

[sawcutmill]

here is a cross over from another forum I spend time on-the woodenboat forum has a discussion on this as well, and some say that the new diesel is bad for the seals, rubber, and injectors! here is the post from www.woodenboat.com

 

[sawcutmill]

http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=51162