Longer wheel studs

[ntsqd]

PM sent and thread title edited to better reflect the problem. Spacers are different topic and I don't want it polluting this thread.

 

[Chop Shop]

Consider that the wheels on the Xcab are a cheep wheel. I bought them because they weren't made of gold so that replacing them when they do start to show the abuse won't be a pocket drainer. So say you're the cheap wheel mfg. and you have the option of reducing the thickness of the wheel center. That means more wheels from the same amount of raw stock. Certainly helps your bottom line doesn't it?

Except that the dang blasted engineers are telling you that in this alloy they have to be X.XXX" thick or they won't hold the claimed load and you'll have the DOT raining on your parade, to say nothing of the lawsuits that you'll get slapped with, because the wheels failed and some numbnutz wiped out a whole busload of school children.

Do you still think drilling those wheels is a good idea? I sure as **** do not.

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Pappy, are those front or rear studs? If front on what? Toy4X's picture is the front stud that I'm dealing with. The total length of the shoulder is 1.344" long because they go through the rotor and then the wheel flange. The splines engage the back ~1/2 of the wheel flange nearest to the the rotor.

If I were crawling the thick spacers might be an option were I not morally opposed to them. That's a whole other thread & I won't go into it here. In my use such spacers would work the steering bearings and the steering system really, really hard. As it is I only get about 2.5-3 years out of a set Koyo steering bearings before they are brinnelled to the point that the steering is unacceptably notchy.

Slow down enough to understand Im not suggesting countersinking the nuts. I suggested drilling the holes to a larger size (all the way thru) to accept the factory style nuts that have washer built onto them and a shoulder that fits inside the larger hole. I in no way ever suggested taking away thickness of the mounting surface. The style lugnut I mention is shown earlier in this thread. I even dug one out of my bolt bin and it would go into the wheel another 1/4 inch deeper than an acorn would.

I dont know any s l o w e r way to explain this to you.

 

[ntsqd]

Slow down enough to understand Im not suggesting countersinking the nuts. I suggested drilling the holes to a larger size (all the way thru) to accept the factory style nuts that have washer built onto them and a shoulder that fits inside the larger hole. I in no way ever suggested taking away thickness of the mounting surface. The style lugnut I mention is shown earlier in this thread. I even dug one out of my bolt bin and it would go into the wheel another 1/4 inch deeper than an acorn would.

I dont know any s l o w e r way to explain this to you.

Since your picture was useless in describing how this magical lug nut works what I am supposed to conclude? With no seating taper the wheels would need to be hub-centric, which they are not. So there would be nothing to center the wheels.

My understanding of the reason that the old style of mag wheel nut (cylindrical body that fits inside of the wheel's hole, with a seating shoulder & washer) are no longer used is because they did a poor job of centering the wheels. Not because the design couldn't do the job, but because the tolerances required of several different mfg's was not reasonable to expect - which resulted in the design not always doing what it should. Some worked, others did not. Sometimes on the same car. From personal experience the design suffered from galling of aluminum on the cylindrical body of the lugs. Once that happened the lug was basically junk because if you re-used one in that condition it would seize in the wheel.

Does not sound like a solution to me.

Why is wanting a longer wheel stud such a difficult thing to understand?

 

[cruiser88]

Dont drill out a rim if its remotlely a DD. Christ that is asking for trouble if something happends.

It was bad enough when my rim fell off going down the interstate trying to explain to the cop why I wasnt running something else.....A diffrent rim .....longer studs something. It was even obvious to him longer studs was needed.