batman said:
That is what I am saying, yes.
Lockers, I need some,
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That is what I am saying, yes.
lowtideride said:
I HAD two rigs with lock rites. I changed over to ARB's because I didnt like the on road charactoristics during the winter months. Hell, I didnt like the characteristics anytime on the pavement. You can say that I dont know what Im talking about, who cares. This guy should go drive a locked rig BEFORE he choses to install them in his rig.
Here are some wheeling pics for ya. I dont have any pics wheeling my 60 because I havent had it in my possesion long enough to wheel it. I hope to soon.
Tom
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Batman,
Where is that place? Where did you go wheelin'? Is that around the Hampton Roads area? Let me know cuz I would like to go wheelin. Thanks.
Where is that place? Where did you go wheelin'? Is that around the Hampton Roads area? Let me know cuz I would like to go wheelin. Thanks.
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4x4CPOSEADOG said:
Yea Its over in suffolk by Harbor View rd and the off of 664. Let me know I am not from here so i dont know alot of places to go we should hook up and go wheelin together!
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HZJ60 guy, This might be a stupid question but everytime I post pictures it only lets me post 3, then they are small pics. How did or do you post so many so big?
So, what your saying is... You have NEVER driven a Land Cruiser with a auto locker as a DD or on the trail...or a 60 series for that matter. 
batman said:
You need to use another program to host the pictures.
I use Fototime. You can use flickr, I think it's free. You shouldnt upload pics to this site as it loads down the server and ole Woody only has so much space.
Tom
lowtideride said:So, what your saying is... You have NEVER driven a Land Cruiser with a auto locker as a DD or on the trail...or a 60 series for that matter.
Look I havent starved to death either, but I know I dont ever want to. You dont always have to have done something to have an educated opinion on it. Ive driven a Cherokee and some samurais with lock rites. The Cherokee was my daily driver.
So now youre saying that a land cruiser is so unique that other 4x4 experience doesnt count?
That's absurd. Unlike you I live in an area that gets a lot of snow and Ice. It also rains a lot here. How much experince on snow and ice do YOU have with a locked vehicle? Hmm.
Well I am pleasantly surprised by my Lockright. After listening to people like Tom above and others I was worried I made the wrong choice.
I installed my own Lockright and it is very quiet. In parking lots I do get a clear clicking sound, and everyonce in awhile I get an interesting bang when I coast through a turn then suddenly accelerate in the middle of it. When I shift kind of aggresively it does twist a little with the torque. But that is all minor stuff.
But to say they are dangerous in slick conditions is kind of over the top. Maybe with a driver that is kind of dangerous anyway in slick conditions.
I was thinking of saving the $$ for an ARB front, but I like my Lockright and with the price difference I may do that or an Aussie up front when the time comes.
I installed my own Lockright and it is very quiet. In parking lots I do get a clear clicking sound, and everyonce in awhile I get an interesting bang when I coast through a turn then suddenly accelerate in the middle of it. When I shift kind of aggresively it does twist a little with the torque. But that is all minor stuff.
But to say they are dangerous in slick conditions is kind of over the top. Maybe with a driver that is kind of dangerous anyway in slick conditions.
I was thinking of saving the $$ for an ARB front, but I like my Lockright and with the price difference I may do that or an Aussie up front when the time comes.
HZJ,
How long did the cherokee have the lockright in it?
If you are comparing the handling characteristics of a 80" WB sammy (or so, I see you have made one or two mods to it) with a locker in the rear to a 108" (I am sure that is not exactly correct but it is close) WB Fj60 you are comparing apples to oranges.
The more wheel base you have the less you will notice the locker.
Additionally, the heavier the truck is the less you will feel the locker. So even comparing a cherokee (light for it's size) to a cruiser is more like cumquats to oranges
How long did the cherokee have the lockright in it?
If you are comparing the handling characteristics of a 80" WB sammy (or so, I see you have made one or two mods to it) with a locker in the rear to a 108" (I am sure that is not exactly correct but it is close) WB Fj60 you are comparing apples to oranges.
The more wheel base you have the less you will notice the locker.
Additionally, the heavier the truck is the less you will feel the locker. So even comparing a cherokee (light for it's size) to a cruiser is more like cumquats to oranges
Look, Im not saying not to do it. Im saying it's something that needs to be thought out in a daily driver.
If someone with zero experience wants to do this they need to realize that there will be a change in the characterists of the vehicle in certain circumstances.
Thats all!!!!
Tom
If someone with zero experience wants to do this they need to realize that there will be a change in the characterists of the vehicle in certain circumstances.
Thats all!!!!
Tom
I recognize Batman prolly isn't worried about snowy conditions with lockers, but that's where this thread seems to be going...
Something that may also affects locker "hook up" while on road is tire type, size, and tread. Since I didn't have big mudders on any of my rigs, I can only speculate. But I would predict that a big slippery mud tire would act differently than say BFG A/Ts or Nokian Vatiivas in the snow with a locker.
HZJ60 Guy has a good point to try out a rig with lockers prior to installing and to recognize that it does change the handling characteristics.
YMMV
Something that may also affects locker "hook up" while on road is tire type, size, and tread. Since I didn't have big mudders on any of my rigs, I can only speculate. But I would predict that a big slippery mud tire would act differently than say BFG A/Ts or Nokian Vatiivas in the snow with a locker.
HZJ60 Guy has a good point to try out a rig with lockers prior to installing and to recognize that it does change the handling characteristics.
YMMV
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Ok, Everyone here has a valid point and Thanks for all of your opinions. I guess that I am going to have to put a lot of thought into this. This is a daily driver but my drive to work is 9 miles one way. I haven't live in portsmouth VA for very long but from what I have heard is we dont get alot of snow here but we do get back ice. I am one of the best drivers around but who doesn't think that about themselves. This will become a play toy someday. (PUN)
I would like to drive someone elses rig with lockers, Anyone close to me? Also removeing the front and rear stabilizer, how much will this affect the driving?
Thanks for all
Bruce
I would like to drive someone elses rig with lockers, Anyone close to me? Also removeing the front and rear stabilizer, how much will this affect the driving?
Thanks for all
Bruce
Stabilizers are a good thing.
HOWEVER, if you want to sell them. I'll take the rear one
Note on black Ice.. :gettingonsoapbox:
Black ice is just ICE!!! If you lose control due to black Ice then you were driving too fast for the conditions. I am so tired of people saying "I lost control because I hit a patch of black ice, so it is not my fault"....
HZJ is right, a locker in the rear does make for different handling situations. So, when it snows or gets icy, find a empty parking lot (at night always worked for me ) and go do spin some brodies..
HOWEVER, if you want to sell them. I'll take the rear one
Note on black Ice.. :gettingonsoapbox:
Black ice is just ICE!!! If you lose control due to black Ice then you were driving too fast for the conditions. I am so tired of people saying "I lost control because I hit a patch of black ice, so it is not my fault"....
HZJ is right, a locker in the rear does make for different handling situations. So, when it snows or gets icy, find a empty parking lot (at night always worked for me
) and go do spin some brodies..Can't we all just get along? Hehe, this turned into quite the catfight.
My brother had a Lockrite in his 40, and we do tend to get snow here in Utah. He never mentioned that it was more difficult to manuever on snowy days. I have no experience in it, but, to me, any car, locked or open, will drive just fine if you're light on the gas in the snow. If you're punching or trying to accelerate too quickly for the road conditions, you're gonna spin out either way.
Off the road though....open is nothing compared to Lock, it makes a HUGE difference, and is well worth the investment. You might have 2 or 3 days a year, maybe, where the rain or snow is bad enough to worry about the locker, and hopefully you're wheelin' more than 2 or 3 times a year to experience the greater control and traction of a locker off road. It makes for a safer experience as well. So, hte pro-days out number the con-days.
Me? I'm getting a lockrite, or maybe an Aussie Locker in about a month for my 60. It's not my daily driver, but it will be my winter snowday mobile, and I'm not worried at all, and I drive about 30 miles to work at 6am, sometimes it white out snow fall the whole way...
My brother had a Lockrite in his 40, and we do tend to get snow here in Utah. He never mentioned that it was more difficult to manuever on snowy days. I have no experience in it, but, to me, any car, locked or open, will drive just fine if you're light on the gas in the snow. If you're punching or trying to accelerate too quickly for the road conditions, you're gonna spin out either way.
Off the road though....open is nothing compared to Lock, it makes a HUGE difference, and is well worth the investment. You might have 2 or 3 days a year, maybe, where the rain or snow is bad enough to worry about the locker, and hopefully you're wheelin' more than 2 or 3 times a year to experience the greater control and traction of a locker off road. It makes for a safer experience as well. So, hte pro-days out number the con-days.
Me? I'm getting a lockrite, or maybe an Aussie Locker in about a month for my 60. It's not my daily driver, but it will be my winter snowday mobile, and I'm not worried at all, and I drive about 30 miles to work at 6am, sometimes it white out snow fall the whole way...
Mace said:Stabilizers are a good thing.
HZJ is right, a locker in the rear does make for different handling situations. So, when it snows or gets icy, find a empty parking lot (at night always worked for me
True, much easier to spin brodies...
besides that not a whole lot different...
HZJ60 Guy said:
"...but you cant argue that it isnt stable in non dry conditions."
I'm not the one arguing that. You are.
If you mean that I can't argue that "it IS stable in non-dry conditions", then;
Sure I can. Actually I don't even consider it an arguement. Based on consistent observations and experiences I consider it a simple fact. I am quite confident that my first hand sampling of rigs with autolockers and my interaction with both experienced and inexperienced drivers using them is larger than what you are basing your opinion on. In addition to my own rigs and those of my family I have driven every one of the rigs I have installed lockers in. Many of them repeatedly in varying on road and also offroad situations and most of them on wet/snowy/icey pavement as well. I have a standing offer to buy back any locker that the customer doesn't like for ANY reason. No one has taken me up on it.
If you do not know how to drive in low traction on pavement situations or if you insist on driving like a testosterone driven teenage boy, then yep, you'll probably have trouble. But then you'd have trouble with any rig if those two assumtions held true.
As to your initial statement that "A locked up vehicle is not always stable in wet/snow/ice conditions." Hell, NO vehicle is ALWAYS stable in these conditions. A concrete block is isn't.
Mark...
Good lord you guys R anal!
Look, a locked up vehicle is NOT as stable on snow/ice/rain as an OPEN vehicle when you consider speed and weight and all the other factors involved.
If you say it is then you are the one who doesnt know what he/she/it is talking about.
That's all Im trying to say. If it WERENT an instibility liability issue then manufactures would sell them in their trucks instead of cable/electric/air lockers.
Even positraction can be sticky in bad conditions.
We really dont need to argue about this anymore do we?
Look, a locked up vehicle is NOT as stable on snow/ice/rain as an OPEN vehicle when you consider speed and weight and all the other factors involved.
If you say it is then you are the one who doesnt know what he/she/it is talking about.
That's all Im trying to say. If it WERENT an instibility liability issue then manufactures would sell them in their trucks instead of cable/electric/air lockers.
Even positraction can be sticky in bad conditions.
We really dont need to argue about this anymore do we?
Not sure why disagreeing to your blanket statement makes me anal retentive. Regardless, nothing you say in this post changes anything already said.
Manufacturers DO use auto lockers. Back in the muscle car days Detroits were optional in some of the most powerful cars then available. I had one in a Torino Cobra as it happened. They are in many over the road trucks as well.
There are lots of reasons beside stability and controlability that influence why a manufacturer does or doesn't use any component.
If you chose to think that I don't know what I'm talking about, that's okay.
We are in agreement that there's no point in carrying this any further.
Mark...
Manufacturers DO use auto lockers. Back in the muscle car days Detroits were optional in some of the most powerful cars then available. I had one in a Torino Cobra as it happened. They are in many over the road trucks as well.
There are lots of reasons beside stability and controlability that influence why a manufacturer does or doesn't use any component.
If you chose to think that I don't know what I'm talking about, that's okay.
We are in agreement that there's no point in carrying this any further.
Mark...
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I think that you two should hook up bumper to bumper and who ever pulls the other wins!!!!!!! This is funny
So what locker is better ARB, Aussie, Lockrite, everything else?
So what locker is better ARB, Aussie, Lockrite, everything else?