dmc
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Well it looks like I'm stumped and starting to get a bit frustrated. Some background first than the discussion points.
I picked up my 80 back in April from a MUD member in Oklahoma. I'll save the particulars for the ROTW since i'm next. Anyway it came with OME 850s up front and 863s in the rear. It has a severe lean to the drivers side of almost 2 inches.
When I got the truck home I installed front J's and swapped the rear springs left to right. At that point the front J's had tags that said A/B. I installed the B on ds and the a on the ps. Rear spring had no mark so I just swapped them. The 850s that came off were marked LH/RH and were on opposite sides.
At that point the lean was about 3/4s of an inch to the ds. A few guys saw it at Cruise Moab (cdan, romer, mark a) with this set up. Lean was noticable and bugged me but I had plans for spacers up front and decided to wait until then to figure it out.
Well last weekend (thanks to wildyoats and cruisermon) the spacers went on the truck as well as rear Js and L shocks front and rear. Long term I don't think I'll always run this tall but with a goal of attending ACT next summer I want room for 315s.
So in an attempt to fix my lean we put the taller springs on the drivers side. It just so happens that the front the A spring was taller and the rear the B was taller. The front springs have about 8k miles on them including 1k during the Utah Cruiser Expedition. I wanted to put the B's both on the drivers side but the A spring was taller and it leaned before I took them off. Spacers are the same height so I know they aren't the problem. Well with the springs in their current confg A ds front/B ds rear I have even more lean than before. I know the 2 taller springs are on the drivers side yet it still leans that way. 1 in in the rear. 7/8 in the front. I'm measuring center of the wheel well. Regardless of the accuracy of the measurement it is visibably nociticable. I'm about a 1/4 tank of gas and according to my friend at Toyota I need to meaure axle housing to bumpstop which I'll do when the tank is empty.
So after some IMing with Wild Yoats and FZJ Fillmore here is the course of action to try and identify the problem. First is go put both B spring on the ds per OME/Slee instructions here. Drive for a day or two and see if it settles a bit more level. I know the front B spring is shorter than the A because we sat them side by side and 4 sets of 80 owners eyes all agreed. But I need to start with the basics.
Second is remove the rear sway bar and drive around, then the front and see if either of my sway bars are tweaked. I have front blocks but need to order the rear extended mounts from Christo. Regardless i'll be able to tell if they are the cause with them removed.
Body mounts. I guess the next point to investigate would be my body mounts. The gap between the frame/body in the rear wheelwell is a bit tighter on the driver's side, like maybe 3/16 but not enough to cause 1in of lean in the body. I'm looking for the cause because, a- it bothers me and b- i really don't want to find out I have a bent frame.
So any other things I should look at as the source of my problem? (I'm aware of the notorious cruiser lean found in leaf sprung vehicles, my 60 suffered greatly but my 40 lacks this characteristic yet I haven't seen too many 80 suffering from it) Is there a better progression to finding my problem? Sway bars first? I do have a pretty bent rear control arm on the driver's side but the lean was there before and after the incident that caused it and from my understanding this would affect track and axle location far more than the body lean. all opinions, even bad ones
are appreciated.
thanks,
dmc
I picked up my 80 back in April from a MUD member in Oklahoma. I'll save the particulars for the ROTW since i'm next. Anyway it came with OME 850s up front and 863s in the rear. It has a severe lean to the drivers side of almost 2 inches.
When I got the truck home I installed front J's and swapped the rear springs left to right. At that point the front J's had tags that said A/B. I installed the B on ds and the a on the ps. Rear spring had no mark so I just swapped them. The 850s that came off were marked LH/RH and were on opposite sides.
At that point the lean was about 3/4s of an inch to the ds. A few guys saw it at Cruise Moab (cdan, romer, mark a) with this set up. Lean was noticable and bugged me but I had plans for spacers up front and decided to wait until then to figure it out.
Well last weekend (thanks to wildyoats and cruisermon) the spacers went on the truck as well as rear Js and L shocks front and rear. Long term I don't think I'll always run this tall but with a goal of attending ACT next summer I want room for 315s.
So in an attempt to fix my lean we put the taller springs on the drivers side. It just so happens that the front the A spring was taller and the rear the B was taller. The front springs have about 8k miles on them including 1k during the Utah Cruiser Expedition. I wanted to put the B's both on the drivers side but the A spring was taller and it leaned before I took them off. Spacers are the same height so I know they aren't the problem. Well with the springs in their current confg A ds front/B ds rear I have even more lean than before. I know the 2 taller springs are on the drivers side yet it still leans that way. 1 in in the rear. 7/8 in the front. I'm measuring center of the wheel well. Regardless of the accuracy of the measurement it is visibably nociticable. I'm about a 1/4 tank of gas and according to my friend at Toyota I need to meaure axle housing to bumpstop which I'll do when the tank is empty.
So after some IMing with Wild Yoats and FZJ Fillmore here is the course of action to try and identify the problem. First is go put both B spring on the ds per OME/Slee instructions here. Drive for a day or two and see if it settles a bit more level. I know the front B spring is shorter than the A because we sat them side by side and 4 sets of 80 owners eyes all agreed. But I need to start with the basics.
Second is remove the rear sway bar and drive around, then the front and see if either of my sway bars are tweaked. I have front blocks but need to order the rear extended mounts from Christo. Regardless i'll be able to tell if they are the cause with them removed.
Body mounts. I guess the next point to investigate would be my body mounts. The gap between the frame/body in the rear wheelwell is a bit tighter on the driver's side, like maybe 3/16 but not enough to cause 1in of lean in the body. I'm looking for the cause because, a- it bothers me and b- i really don't want to find out I have a bent frame.
So any other things I should look at as the source of my problem? (I'm aware of the notorious cruiser lean found in leaf sprung vehicles, my 60 suffered greatly but my 40 lacks this characteristic yet I haven't seen too many 80 suffering from it) Is there a better progression to finding my problem? Sway bars first? I do have a pretty bent rear control arm on the driver's side but the lean was there before and after the incident that caused it and from my understanding this would affect track and axle location far more than the body lean. all opinions, even bad ones
are appreciated.thanks,
dmc
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