My last thread in this sub was pretty crazy. Here a side by side of the new 250 and my fj60. Its really freaking nice in person. If it had a solid axle my truck would be for sale. This one looked to have some factory tube sliders on it too
LC250 to FJ60 comparison
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Thank you for starting this topic. I hope we see some really good dialogue about the comparison of these two vehicles. There’s plenty of FJ60 owners eyeballing the 250 and we all are probably thinking the same thing: (love to get a modern engine and no rust….but what about the “Light Duty” design?)
And no split tailgate: (
And no split tailgate: (
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Sure thing man. The truck is really awesome in person. It was weird seeing something with literally zero dirt underneath it. Not having a split gate kind of sucks, but to be honest if this thing had a coil sprung solid front axle like an 80 series or 70 series i would 100% be on the list to buy one. I think in a few years once the prices stabilize and things get kind of normal and the new car craze is gone, my wife might sell her 100 series for one of these maybe.
you can really tell that they tried to mold it after the 60 series. Spots like the front fender just behind the headlight are dang near identical. This thing would be killer in white
Really looking forward to your side by side comparison!
I would miss my manual choke, mechanical front and rear lockers, roll up windows, and the beautiful dash in my 60.
Cool comparo--Makes me miss my FJ62 again...I hope to be in a place to buy another fun rig in 3-5 years as my kids get older so will see where this all goes, but the lack of split tailgate is a big deal, it was always one of my favorite things about the FJ62 and is about my L322 as well. Used literally every time the truck is stopped on an excursion - it's my "seat" and "table" and whatever else you would want from it. Dumb miss on design especially seeing how expensive they are.
That they kept a roll down window in the 4Runner and didn't at least do the same for the new LC is a huge miss in my opinion--I like it but the kids and dogs love it in the Sequoia
That they kept a roll down window in the 4Runner and didn't at least do the same for the new LC is a huge miss in my opinion--I like it but the kids and dogs love it in the Sequoia
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$19K is a pretty good vacation for a family.
I have to say I put my reserved spot in right when the LC was announced many months ago. My spot has come up to take possession but when I went in to do the paperwork the dealer was adding $5700 onto msrp for market demand they called it. I walked away and found a dealer farther away not doing any markups but I am now back of the line and 6-12 months wait time again. I couldn't spend more then msrp. I thinks its criminal and greedy of dealers to be doing this. I don't agree.
How could this have possibly happened when the car was announced and, sight unseen, thousands rushed to their dealer to get in line. 
Just wait until the dealerships are choking on excess inventory in a year then go cut a deal.
Just wait until the dealerships are choking on excess inventory in a year then go cut a deal.
I really do think the buyer's move is to give it 12 - 24 months. That'll afford time for Toyota to work out any early production bugs, the 250's novelty will have worn off by then, and demand will drop as it competes with new 4Runners hitting the streets.
way to overstyled, far too much plastic, I'll take my easy to replace $40 headlights over the $1000 integrated nonsense, bump up of the rear cargo windows further limits visibility, screens, no tailgate, no turbos, no hybrid....ok I'll stop
i just don't get the purpose
take a fj60 body, add bracing and crumple zones for safety regs, and reuse all the FJ60 parts as possible. FJ80 axles for the additional width due to structural upgrades.
a modern safety FJ60 with all new seals, modern metals and construction techniques is what we want
i just don't get the purpose
take a fj60 body, add bracing and crumple zones for safety regs, and reuse all the FJ60 parts as possible. FJ80 axles for the additional width due to structural upgrades.
a modern safety FJ60 with all new seals, modern metals and construction techniques is what we want
joseywales
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Here we go again…
If you want a “modern 60”, (I’d love one) just take the $70k for a 250 and you’d have all the modern you need in any 60 series.
If you want a “modern 60”, (I’d love one) just take the $70k for a 250 and you’d have all the modern you need in any 60 series.
No you can't.Here we go again…
If you want a “modern 60”, (I’d love one) just take the $70k for a 250 and you’d have all the modern you need in any 60 series.
We want modern crash safety A and B pillars.
Modern metals, seals, glass, and insulation.
Then stop.
Don't add screens, cameras, egregious amounts of plastic, hybrid systems, $1000 headlights, 21 ECUs, 8 terrain modes, radar, lidar, less visibility, interconnected everything....and more
You can’t just tack on crash safety. It requires a complete redesign. Vehicles from that era have thin doors with little distance between the outer door skin and the driver’s outside shoulder — they simply don’t have enough width for side impact safety. In addition, vehicles of that era have very narrow pillars, which are great for visibility but don’t provide enough roof crush strength.
You simply can’t tinker around the edges of the 60 series frame and body and come up with a vehicle that will meet modern standards of safety, strength, NVH, and fuel efficiency.
I don't want to be that guy, but why didn't you read my response?
I explicitly stated stronger A and B pillars.
I explicitly stated make it wider for side protection (and use fj80 axles to make up the difference)
Crumple zones don't need overstyled expensive sheet metal and plastic or screens or $1000 headlights.
Having a tailgate has nothing to do safety, NVH or MPGs
MPGs aren't affected by a simple 'on-off' dial for AC.
You don't get more MPGs with 14 screens
$500 taillights don't affect NVH
The underlying structure can change with modern times, but why all the other excess?
