Anyway I will shut up about it. I would have came with but I had to work. Sorry to hear about everyone's dings . Pics were awesome
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Late notice snow run Feb. 1, tomorrow
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Would love a true and honest opinion of how the heavy 100 series did when compared to the 80 or the jeep or any of the other vehicles out there. Did the weight cause issues that weren't experienced by the other rigs? Did you consider the weight a disadvantage in this experience with trail riding in deep snow?
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That is an interesting question. I would like to know this, as well.
I have another:
Travis, you and I both had similar issues on this run. Also, you and I both run duratracs. Some say that this may be the best tire for snowy/icy conditions. What were your impressions of the duratracs yesterday?
Seeing that the 100 (stock) only weighs in at 350ish pounds heavier than an 80 (stock), I don't think weight is much of a factor. Now the J**ps, mini trucks, etc. that go out with us are significantly lighter.
I think my major issues in the deep snow was my:
The weight only really became an issue when we had to use the come-along to get it out of the ditch. At that point, I was wishing I had my CJ again.
I think the guys I go wheeling with the most often (well, most of them anyway
) will tell you that the 100 holds its own. And that's with my mostly stock rig (no lift, sliders and skid plates). I'll be leaving them all behind when it's built. 
I think my major issues in the deep snow was my:
1) stock height
2) snow plow of a spare tire
3) not airing down
4)not chaining up
and MOST importantly...
5) going down an off camber, narrow, dark, snow covered trail in reverse.
2) snow plow of a spare tire
3) not airing down
4)not chaining up
and MOST importantly...
5) going down an off camber, narrow, dark, snow covered trail in reverse.
The weight only really became an issue when we had to use the come-along to get it out of the ditch. At that point, I was wishing I had my CJ again.
I think the guys I go wheeling with the most often (well, most of them anyway
) will tell you that the 100 holds its own. And that's with my mostly stock rig (no lift, sliders and skid plates). I'll be leaving them all behind when it's built.
Couldn't be happier with them. Living in Missouri, there were no mountains, so I spend a lot of time just playing in the snow. These outperform the rest (although I ran mostly street-ish AT 's back then). I don't think the tires were an issue at all. I am amazed how well they did getting me up and out of 300V and 300U. I should have been aired down all day. Made a huge difference.
Good to hear. My impression is that they provided a bit less lateral control than I expected. This may have been because the conditions on the off camber portions of the trail were very slick. I may also need to consider airing lower.
I was astounded with how well they performed on the tree event in a bit better conditions. I had no issues on that run.
Thanks for the response. What did you guys air down to? I'm asking these questions because they are very applicable to the driving I find myself in a lot. Heavy snow, through the woods. I took my 100 out into a snowy field with a friend and I felt like it was so stinking heavy, it just bogged down in the snow. He was driving a Honda Pilot which in my opinion is a minivan with an SUV body attached. Weighing in somewhere in the 4000's he was moving through the snow with relative ease compared to me. I weigh in at 6,000 lbs with myself and what I carry in the back. Now granted, I was running 42 psi in my BFG's and he wasn't aired down but his tires were running 32 psi. I got so stuck our large kubota tractor took 30 minutes to yank me out...was drama and the snow was deep but I've driven through worse in my 3600 lb. '89 Toyota pickup.
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I have the Oasis Trailhead deflators, and their little slide chart says 16 PSI for 285's and a 6,000 pound rig. I don't put a lot into that, but I've always run my tires down to 15-16 psi for wheeling in all my rigs. I believe that you can go lower on a lighter rig. I run my 285's on my '88 pickup at 10 psi just to get them to bulge even a little. They were at 8 the other day when I lost a bead, I won't be going that low again. My cherokee is probably weighing in around 3600-3,800 pounds. I run those 285's at 14-15.
I didn't really see much difference between my cherokee and Leon's 80 in the snow. They're very similar rigs aside from their weight. I think normally in snow, a lighter rig makes things a little easier. Bottom line is, nothing works in the sugar snow we were in.
About tires, I will say that when we bought my wife's wrangler, it had the Goodyear SR-A tires on it. We couldn't wait to get rid of them and get an all terrain for more traction and better looks. When she tore two of the sidewalls, we replaced them with a used set of Big-O big foots, and she lost a massive amount of traction. Then we replaced those with new Hankook ATM's we got most of it back, but not like the Goodyears. From that, I learned that street tires have awesome traction in ice and snow. There's just so much siping. We honestly would have kept them had it not been for the paper thin sidewalls. Tires are about the most subjective thing you could ever shop for. The Duratrac has great snow traction, but I urge you to go to a tire store and feel how uber thin those sidewalls are before you buy a set, especially if you're gonna run them in the rocks.
About the 100 series, you can call me a believer. That tank is awesome. I think we all knew it was going to eventually get a little banged up just because of how much body there is. With most 4x4's, if you get into a tree or a ditch, the tires stick out enough to save the fenders and doors. 100's have some pretty big fenders.
I didn't really see much difference between my cherokee and Leon's 80 in the snow. They're very similar rigs aside from their weight. I think normally in snow, a lighter rig makes things a little easier. Bottom line is, nothing works in the sugar snow we were in.
About tires, I will say that when we bought my wife's wrangler, it had the Goodyear SR-A tires on it. We couldn't wait to get rid of them and get an all terrain for more traction and better looks. When she tore two of the sidewalls, we replaced them with a used set of Big-O big foots, and she lost a massive amount of traction. Then we replaced those with new Hankook ATM's we got most of it back, but not like the Goodyears. From that, I learned that street tires have awesome traction in ice and snow. There's just so much siping. We honestly would have kept them had it not been for the paper thin sidewalls. Tires are about the most subjective thing you could ever shop for. The Duratrac has great snow traction, but I urge you to go to a tire store and feel how uber thin those sidewalls are before you buy a set, especially if you're gonna run them in the rocks.
About the 100 series, you can call me a believer. That tank is awesome. I think we all knew it was going to eventually get a little banged up just because of how much body there is. With most 4x4's, if you get into a tree or a ditch, the tires stick out enough to save the fenders and doors. 100's have some pretty big fenders.
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Couldn't agree more. I think this pics illustrates that point well. I had my rear bumper off for Eagle Rock. You can really see what Luke's talking about...
Lol - how about a NSFW tag for that ... my eyes!
My earlier post ... about how snow runs can get unexpectedly long ... was a to subtle suggestion that you were nuts for taking 3 little kids out there. Don't worry ... your oldest might need some therapy, but the other two are probably to young to remember it
Not sure why you guys wait so long to air down & chain up. After my sled ride on eagle rock a few years ago, my motto is chain early & chain often! Just seems easier then putting em on in a ditch in knee deep snow!
Anyway, sounds like a fun time was had by all! Sorry I missed it, but got enough done Saturday that we got to have a great day skiing yesterday - no crowds and great snow while the rest of the state watched the broncos get crushed
Anyway ... to much monday morning quarterbacking from somebody who wasn't there
You can also get heat shrink tubing that is lined with sort of a hot-melt sealant. Stuff looks pretty impervious the times that I've used it. Is the ABS lead a simple wire, or is it shielded?
That's really surprising to me - they're about the same size and with the aluminum V8 and IFS on the 100 I thought you'd be a bit lighter.
The info was taken for Wikipedia, so take it for what you will.
Used to show this to my students before any large assignment was due: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvZBg7qLzU8
Yea, cars.com backs you up:
Curb weight
1997: 4751 lbs
1998: 5115 lbs
Diff: 364 lbs
Wonder where that comes from?
Wheel base is the same - 112"
Also settles the turning radius discussion we had on Shubarth
80 : 20.2'
100 : 19.8'
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Couldn't agree more. I think this pics illustrates that point well. I had my rear bumper off for Eagle Rock. You can really see what Luke's talking about...
looks like a cartoon
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My source had a 96 lx450 curb weight in right at 5000#, I kept thinking it was 6000# for some reason, maybe that is with armor and fully loaded.
I'll keep that in mind. I like Luke's idea better as I have all that readily available. I don't know about the wire yet, I'll pull it tonight.
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ABS wire was two fine wires encased in a thick outer sheath which is great protection but a pain to get off. The break was right at the apex of a bend. I used a lot of silicon on the outside as well. ABS light is now off, it is just a matter of durability on a moving wire...
Worked on the 100 a bit last night. Got the front fender popped out a bit (although the dent was creased, so it almost looks worse popped out!) and the rear bumper repaired. There was a big dent and some bent bracketry causing the tailgate to rub when lowered. Dents out now, bracktery straightened out, and no more rubbing. Now just needs a good wash to see what it really looks like.
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