LandCruiser II/4runner Suspension?

[PJHunter]

Another question if i may....about suspension

I am hoping someone will be able to clarify conflicting reports I have heard about LandCruiser II [KZJ70] series coil sprung suspension.

Landcruiser II vehicles have the same rear shock mount types on
the left and right hand sides of the vehicle (eye top, pin mount bottom). This is different from true Bundera / RJ70 vehicles which can be distinguished by their different shock absorber mount types on the rear of the vehicle. One side has a pin at the top and an eye mount at the bottom and the other side has eye mounts at both the top and bottom.

So my questions are the following:
I have read that Landcruiser II vehicles have the same coil suspension as the 80 series vehicle - is this correct?

I have also read that Landcruiser II vehicles have the same coil suspension as the coil sprung 4 runners/serfs - is this correct?

The reason why I seek clarity is because I want a 1-2" suspension lift and only ARB/OME seem to do this [at least they've been the only business to respond to my queries]. Everyone else has simply ignored my emails or just replied 'do not know of such landcruisers'. If the LandcruiserII suspension is the same as either a 80 series or 4Runner/Surf then at least I can purchase their lift kits!

thanks for your help in advance !
PJ

 

[roscoFJ73]

PJ You could tryDobinsons ,they stock coil springs for 87-96 Landcruiser II

http://www.dobinsonsprings.com/html/catalogues/4x4catalogue/toy-79.htm

 

[beanz2]

Different springs I think. The kerb weights are so different that even if the 80 springs dimensionally fit, they would result in a higher lift (good) and a bone-jarring ride (bad). The 80, light duty 70, and the 96+ 4Runners do have coil springs all around, true, but only the l.d. 70 has the rear trailing arm suspension.

The Landcruiser II, as it may be called in UK, belongs to the light duty 70 series line. The KZJ7x as well as the RJ7x and the LJ7x belong to this light duty line. I believe they are called the Bundera in Oz. (Q to Aussie members: are all the light duty 70 series called the Bundy? The 90 weren't called the Bundera correct?).

Dave

 

[PJHunter]

To RoscoFJ73 - many thanks for the dobson springs link. I'd seen their site but their catalogue links are broken when I try to click on them to have a gander - so your full link is a godsend.

To Beanz2 - Many thanks for the information. Because I'm a tad ignorant, could you please explain what you mean by 'rear trailing arm suspension'? When I look at my LCII's suspension it reminds me of my Range Rover - 1 axle, 2 spings and 2 shocks. What is it that I can look at that tells me my LCII has the rear trailing arm suspension?

Also I think I can answer your Bundy question. My understanding is that all LD 70 series were called Bundera's. A Local marketing ploy that was on working a] the basis that a cute animal will help sell a hard sell product and b] play on Aussie's pride of their own country product & nature. Truth be told though, the only reason [as I have read on the net] that Toyota changed the name to Prado was to totally get away from the marketing disaster they made of selling the LD 70 series. So they gave the 70 series SWB chassis a new body and called it Prado. Calling it Prado also made it easier to sell worldwide rather than using the LCII moniker.

 

[beanz2]

could you please explain what you mean by 'rear trailing arm suspension'? When I look at my LCII's suspension it reminds me of my Range Rover - 1 axle, 2 spings and 2 shocks. What is it that I can look at that tells me my LCII has the rear trailing arm suspension?

They are those large metal arms that attaches under the axle. The other end attaches to the frame.

Also I think I can answer your Bundy question. My understanding is that all LD 70 series were called Bundera's. A Local marketing ploy that was on working a] the basis that a cute animal will help sell a hard sell product and b] play on Aussie's pride of their own country product & nature. Truth be told though, the only reason [as I have read on the net] that Toyota changed the name to Prado was to totally get away from the marketing disaster they made of selling the LD 70 series. So they gave the 70 series SWB chassis a new body and called it Prado. Calling it Prado also made it easier to sell worldwide rather than using the LCII moniker.

Ah, so does the Prado moniker start in 1996 with the 90 series? Was the name Bundera used all the way until 1995 or did Toyota quietly drop the name?

I thought they used the names of Colorado (90) and Amazon (80) in UK. Do they use the name Prado in the UK or Europe? Where was the naming Land Cruiser 300, Land Cruiser 400 and Land Cruiser 500 used? Germany?

Dave

 

[TFS55]

your LCII, LJ/RJ70, LJ/KZ71 & LJ/KZJ78 uses different shocks from the Bundera series.

OME paart numbers yours use N77 front, N79 rear while the bundy uses N114 front and N112&N113 rear.

the springs for your LCII also differs from the series 80, they have smaller diameter

 

[PJHunter]

thanks for the help. It's always good to increase one's knowledge on these things

 

[roscoFJ73]

Different springs I think. The kerb weights are so different that even if the 80 springs dimensionally fit, they would result in a higher lift (good) and a bone-jarring ride (bad). The 80, light duty 70, and the 96+ 4Runners do have coil springs all around, true, but only the l.d. 70 has the rear trailing arm suspension.

The Landcruiser II, as it may be called in UK, belongs to the light duty 70 series line. The KZJ7x as well as the RJ7x and the LJ7x belong to this light duty line. I believe they are called the Bundera in Oz. (Q to Aussie members: are all the light duty 70 series called the Bundy? The 90 weren't called the Bundera correct?).

Dave

Beanz I knew I would find an answer to that sooner or later

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Toyota/LJ70/Bundera.html

 

[PJHunter]

That was one of the links i was trying to find for you - so you've saved me the effort - thanks!

It was the result of reading the above link that gave me the original question of whether or not the 80 series suspension [thinking springs here] would actually fit the LCII - given that they apparently use the same 5-link suspension. When they say this '5-link' what does it actually mean? Is it the number of coils in the spring or something completely different?

Also... what's a panhard rod?

Out of interest - I've put a couple of other site links that people may find useful or or interest

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/adherence_4x4/serie7_chassis.htm

http://www.geocities.com/landcruiser75/index.html

http://www.automotive-links.com/mak/toy/cru.htm

http://www.toyota.com/landcruiser/minisite/

http://www.landcruiser-meeting.net/de/index.shtml

http://www.brian894x4.com/FOREIGNTOYOTAMAINPAGE.html

 

[TFS55]

also the 4runners and LCII have different suspension set-ups, the 4runners have IFS (torsion old model coils for newer models) coils for the rears. the Prado LC90 and the IFS 4runner with coils spring front have the same suspension set-ups.

the current generation Prado 120 series, GX470, and the current 4runner have the same chassis/suspension set-up.

 

[PJHunter]

Oh.... and for those who don't mind getting square eyes from looking at a pc screen all day for a week the following two sites below are a god-send!

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/main_4x4.htm

http://www.testosterone.biz/waiporous/index.jsp

 

[roscoFJ73]

They are those large metal arms that attaches under the axle. The other end attaches to the frame.





Ah, so does the Prado moniker start in 1996 with the 90 series? Was the name Bundera used all the way until 1995 or did Toyota quietly drop the name?

I thought they used the names of Colorado (90) and Amazon (80) in UK. Do they use the name Prado in the UK or Europe? Where was the naming Land Cruiser 300, Land Cruiser 400 and Land Cruiser 500 used? Germany?

Dave

I think they are supposed to be Prados in the UK but there is such a shortage they import heavily,even from oz.
So maybe they are importing Colorados from the ME and other parts where they left their colonial habits of RHD

The landcruiser 300 or 90 95 series seems to be from Austria.
The 400 is a 74 series and presumably the 500 is an 80 series?.(I can find the links )

The Prado started in oz in 96 with 95 series (5dr).I dont think we got the 90 except as a grey import but of course they were always Prados in Japan.

No Bunderas after 1990 and not very many after 1986.
Yes Toyota dropped the name Bundeera for a few years to give people time to forget

 

[roscoFJ73]

"Yes Toyota dropped the name Bundeera for a few years to give people time to forget"

I meant they dropped it permanently

 

[PJHunter]

so are 'panhard rods' and 'rear trailing arms' one and the same thing?

What's the 5-link bit?

 

[beanz2]

PJ, Panhard rods refer to the suspension rods that run from side to side, one end attaches to the live axle and the other to the frame. The idea is that it keeps the axle from moving sideways although based on the design, with enough suspension travel, the axle movement describes a large arc around the chassis mounting point. However is the rod is designed to be long enough and the rod is kept mostly parallel to the axle, the lateral movement is is minimized.

The 5 link suspension refers to the 5 rods that locate the rear axle with respect to the frame, the colored parts as in this pic. The red one is the Panhard rod:

Ross, great discussion on the country specific designations. So the name Bundera was dropped for good in 1990. I read it was called the "Blunder Down Under"? I have seen a brochure that calls the 75 series the Land Cruiser 400 as well:

It is in German, so it could be Austrian too. I mostly see the Colorado and Amazon names from British sites, but are there ever any emblems on Landcruisers in the UK that says "Amazon" or Colorado"? I've seen the names on spare tire covers only.

Dvae

 

[PJHunter]

you are a true fountain of knowledge.
thanks
PJ

 

[roscoFJ73]

Blunder downunder I bet theyve never heard that one on Outer Limits lol

Dave the reason I thought it Austrian was from the pop ups in the blurb,not a good way to identify LC origins,but it was late