Land Rover 110 vs Toyota Land Cruiser 70-SW Pt1.

[ranma21]

i always like the 70, drove one with 3.0 1KZTE, it was fast and lots of power.


YouTube - Land Rover 110 vs Toyota Land Cruiser 70-SW Pt1.

YouTube - Land Rover 110 vs Toyota Land Cruiser 70-SW Pt2.

 

[Tapage]

I will love to see this video with the V8 4.5 engine .. the 2VD-FTV .. and another thing that it's more my point of view .. why not use the lockers if you have 'em .?

Other opinion is the traction control can lock unlock the tires as fast as you need in a slippery hill in the real world ..

 

[IdahoDoug]

They're both great offroad vehicles, and I'm glad he chose the LandCruiser in the end. However, in comparisons like these I'm often frustrated at the low attention to providing key information. For instance, the steep uphill climb on loose stuff. What tires were on each vehicle and what inflation pressures? From my experience, I can take a run of the mill Isuzu Trooper up stuff like that with BFG A/Ts at 18psi without spinning a wheel, where the LandRover may have been on crap tires like they come in the US. I'd be surprised if it had crap tires, but I'm just saying - the test guy should identify what tires are on them, but more attention would have had the exact tire on each vehicle to rule out tire differences. Which any offroader (presumably his audience, BTW) knows full well can make a huge difference.

Also, I did not hear what each vehicle cost. That too is a major factor. Was the LandCruiser $10,000 cheaper? Makes a big difference when comparing one on one.

DougM

 

[roscoFJ73]

They're both great offroad vehicles, and I'm glad he chose the LandCruiser in the end. However, in comparisons like these I'm often frustrated at the low attention to providing key information. For instance, the steep uphill climb on loose stuff. What tires were on each vehicle and what inflation pressures? From my experience, I can take a run of the mill Isuzu Trooper up stuff like that with BFG A/Ts at 18psi without spinning a wheel, where the LandRover may have been on crap tires like they come in the US. I'd be surprised if it had crap tires, but I'm just saying - the test guy should identify what tires are on them, but more attention would have had the exact tire on each vehicle to rule out tire differences. Which any offroader (presumably his audience, BTW) knows full well can make a huge difference.

Also, I did not hear what each vehicle cost. That too is a major factor. Was the LandCruiser $10,000 cheaper? Makes a big difference when comparing one on one.

DougM

I thought it was all a bit over simplified also.
The Landrover has a centre difflock with a locking rear diff( I think) as standard

The Landcruiser has electric locking diffs front and rear as an option (about $4K in oz) but these were not fitted to the test vehicle and it was made to appear as if the landcruiser was lacking in off road abilty.
The Landcruisr has a rear LSD as standard in Oz ,Im not sure about SA
The LR does come with good offroad AT tyres in oz and because of this its often referred to as "the best out of the box 4wd in the universe"
The 7* with split rims usually come with a cheap Dunlop Road Grippers but I think the 76 and 78/79 RV's get some better rubber,might be Goodyear Wranglers

Last time I looked at prices a similarily equipped 78 troopy was $10000 more than a LR 4dr wagon.

I would like to see the V8 diesel 7* series up against the new LR with the Ford Transit turbo 4cyl diesel,2.3 litre?

 

[Tapage]

I would like to see the V8 diesel 7* series up against the new LR with the Ford Transit turbo 4cyl diesel,2.3 litre?

would be fantastic .. ! V8 Toyota powa .. vs .......... 2.3 4 banger ?

 

[ranma21]

I do not think it is a fair comparison or enough info to compare too. But at the end of the day, the judge chose the 70

 

[gilghana]

I have to say that the 2.4 engine is quite simply amazing... okay it is the only light vehicle CRD engine I had driven up to then. I have subsequently driven a (slightly detuned Toyo V8 in a 200 series), but in a unmodified and fairly light Defender that 4 pot was pretty impressive. I do like the Defender and I thought LR were getting better... but then I read these recent reviews:
Land Rover Defender 4x4 (90-) Reader Reviews - What Car?
The durability and CRD were what killed my possible new Defender ownership - if they had produced a decent alternative to the 70 series I might have been swayed. Thank God I wasn't! Oh and compared to a Troopy in Ghana they are way overpriced.

 

[roscoFJ73]

The engine in the new landrover is probably the best thing they have ever done ,but after 60 years of basically building the same vehicle,they havent come a long way.
I always have mixed feelings about the defender,it looks great and it is genuinely good offroad but thats where it ends with me.
The ergonomics are dreadful and the rest is a bucket of bolts waiting to be towed home or getting ready to be.

The good people in Surrey and Devon who love their LRs might feel different if they had to drive 200klms to a hospital or air strip on bad roads once a week without a Benz or Jag as a back up

Its obvious they have never been exposed to a LWB 7* series

 

[landcruisers4ever]

I thought it was all a bit over simplified also.
The Landrover has a centre difflock with a locking rear diff( I think) as standard

The Landcruiser has electric locking diffs front and rear as an option (about $4K in oz) but these were not fitted to the test vehicle and it was made to appear as if the landcruiser was lacking in off road abilty.
The Landcruisr has a rear LSD as standard in Oz ,Im not sure about SA
The LR does come with good offroad AT tyres in oz and because of this its often referred to as "the best out of the box 4wd in the universe"
The 7* with split rims usually come with a cheap Dunlop Road Grippers but I think the 76 and 78/79 RV's get some better rubber,might be Goodyear Wranglers

Last time I looked at prices a similarily equipped 78 troopy was $10000 more than a LR 4dr wagon.

I would like to see the V8 diesel 7* series up against the new LR with the Ford Transit turbo 4cyl diesel,2.3 litre?

As far as I know the Rover only has locking centre diff and TC Ive never heard of a new Defender with factroy lockers

 

[Tapage]

As far as I know the Rover only has locking centre diff and TC Ive never heard of a new Defender with factroy lockers

at least not for our market here in Panamá .. and actually I ear ( and read over the web ) that their axles don't hold anything more than 32" tires ..

 

[roscoFJ73]

As far as I know the Rover only has locking centre diff and TC Ive never heard of a new Defender with factroy lockers

Ah yes ,traction control was the term I was looking for

 

[landcruisers4ever]

at least not for our market here in Panamá .. and actually I ear ( and read over the web ) that their axles don't hold anything more than 32" tires ..

Their axles are extremely weak, ive seen blown diffs from two rovers before one had 31" and the other 32", they cant take the abuse the Cruisers axles can take(or any other part of the car for that matter).

The rovers look cool but thats about it.

 

[prado t]

What about the modified Dana 60s they use in the LR Def 110s they arent that weak , are they

 

[JuanJ]

What about the modified Dana 60s they use in the LR Def 110s they arent that weak , are they

Hello,

The modified 60s are strong indeed. They do take their share of punishment.

However, from what I have seen, in the 110 it is either a vacuum "loss," so to speak, or a molten cable, what usually brings the driving to a mostly unexpected conclusion. A friend of mine spent many hours fixing his Defender's vacuum lines and rerouting cables before giving up and selling the rig.

We would sometimes drive with half the instrument panel removed, cables dangling, while evaluating some repair done to the electrical system. If it worked, reassembly came next; if not, back to square one. Same thing with vaccum lines.

There might have been improvements to the drive train, but reliability as a whole remains an issue in the Defender. And that not to mention Discovery- and Range Rover-biased customer support, but that is another story.

My two cents.





JuanJ

 

[JAC83]

The Landcruiser has electric locking diffs front and rear as an option (about $4K in oz) but these were not fitted to the test vehicle and it was made to appear as if the landcruiser was lacking in off road abilty.

The 76 in the videos DOES have front and rear diff locks, he just makes several attempts at climbing the hill (unlocked, then rear locked and then fully locked) so that we can appreciate the difference they make, he also points out that he prefers having both lockers instead of just having traction control like the LR has.

 

[cicak]

Is there any comparison the YOTA wins hands down.