Kaon recovery hooks

[Markuson]

I think we'd have to look to Australia for that. Lots of dudes down there pulling big(ish) trailers off road. I'm sure there's been some hairy recoveries down there.

Both ARB and Kaon are Australian companies aiming at LCs there.
As a moderator on the biggest 200 series owner group there (over 57,000 200 guys) I’ve yet to see these rwcovery points brought up as a problem. I just did a search there and came up with nothing but blokes recommending the ARBs.

Here’s another thought… For super heavy pulls, using of BOTH recovery points joined for a single recovery line, or snatch block splits the load between both massively strong points, and also centers the pull more consistently if on a Y. For crazy pulls, that’s a massive reduction in per-point pressure.

But anyway… Probably one of those YMMV decisions…

 

[montegofd3s]

Both ARB and Kaon are Australian companies aiming at LCs there.
As a moderator on the biggest 200 series owner group there (over 57,000 200 guys) I’ve yet to see these rwcovery points brought up as a problem. I just did a search there and came up with nothing but blokes recommending the ARBs.

Here’s another thought… For super heavy pulls, using of BOTH recovery points joined for a single recovery line, or snatch block splits the load between both massively strong points, and also centers the pull more consistently if on a Y. For crazy pulls, that’s a massive reduction in per-point pressure.

But anyway… Probably one of those YMMV decisions…

All Great points. I just want to mention that if you are using both anchor points (which you should) make sure you are using straps long enough to actually split the load appropriately. What I mean by that is don't use a tree protector strap or something so short that it will actually increase the force on the 2 points. Ideally, the angle between the straps going to each anchor point should be between 45 and 90 degrees, but anything beyond that is not sharing the load. At 45 degrees the load is mostly split 50% per anchor, but as that angle increases vector forces also increase. At 90 degrees each anchor would see about 75% of the load, but if you went to 120 degrees each point would experience 100% and at 140 degrees each would be at 150%.

Good rule of thumb we use in rope rescue is put the "V" point coming from the 2 anchors on your palm/wrist area, and make the "shaka/hang loose" expression with your pinky and thumb out. If the angle is between your pinky and thumb, your angle is less than 90 degrees.

 

[Markuson]

All Great points. I just want to mention that if you are using both anchor points (which you should) make sure you are using straps long enough to actually split the load appropriately. What I mean by that is don't use a tree protector strap or something so short that is will actually increase the forces on the 2 points. Ideally, the angle between the straps going to each anchor point should be between 45 and 90 degrees, but anything beyond that is not sharing the load. At 45 degree the load is mostly split 50% per anchor, but as that angle increases vector forces also increase. At 90 degrees each anchor would see about 75% of the load, but if you went to 120 degrees each point would experience 100% and at 140 degrees each would be at 150%.

Good rule of thumb we use in rope rescue is put the "V" point coming from the 2 anchors on your palm/wrist area, and make the "shaka/hang loose" expression with your pinky and thumb out. If the angle is between your pinky and thumb, your angle is less than 90 degrees.

Ya. Clearly you don’t want to create odd angles at the recovery points with too shallow a “V.” Thinking more of snatch block use (pully and line-uptake-doubling) in a super heavy winch pull…maybe fighting mud suction, etc. There, pulley is at the anchor end & as far away from the truck (and points) as winch line length and space allows.