If you had the choice to buy a rear bumper again, would you?

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I'm thinking of getting the Slee bumper only and forego the swing outs.Still thinking though. Keep it coming guys.

If you get it I would forgo the swing-outs considering how much wheeling you do. I like the tire swing-out both for protection of the tire and increased departure clearance but there are plenty who don't use it and well all the time. It's a preference thing. The only time I dislike the swing-out is when I have my trailer attached.

Looking at the other mods you have been considering I would probably go this order: Drawers > Bumper (Slee W/O the swing-out) > Rack.
 
If you get it I would forgo the swing-outs considering how much wheeling you do. I like the tire swing-out both for protection of the tire and increased departure clearance but there are plenty who don't use it and well all the time. It's a preference thing. The only time I dislike the swing-out is when I have my trailer attached.

Looking at the other mods you have been considering I would probably go this order: Drawers > Bumper (Slee W/O the swing-out) > Rack.

Thanks!!!! I could REALLY use the drawers on a daily basis.
 
for those of us that dont have cristo for the side by side comparison or can look at them unpowdercoated, anyone want to elaborate on said differences?
 
I'm surprised nobody has brought up the 4x4 Labs rear bumper. I have one that the PO put on my 100, I like it. Stout at hell, good clearance and you can save some coin by putting it together your self and can customize as you want. You do have to cut the crossmember like the BIOR:meh:

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The one glaring difference without getting into the internals is the gussets that are used to support the tire carrier and ladder to the bumper itself. Slee's is welded to add support, BIO is just bolted on.

I don't want to go into over detailing all the different aspects of the internals of the bumpers. Slee Off Road has been building their bumpers for a long time. BIOR is a relative newcomer to the 100 series. (And makes some very nice stuff) But, lets be honest, the BIOR bumper is a basic copy of the Slee bumper. All without the time tested R&D that goes along with that product being used and abused for years.

If Christo jumped on here and said our bumper uses "this, this and this, to avoid that, that and that. And we found over time that this can weaken because of that" Blah, blah, blah and so on, then what stops his competitors from utilizing his R&D over the last 10-12 years to copy that as well?

Many of the products that Slee sells are higher priced than his competitors. Whether it's springs or SOR products. If you're buying OME springs, you'll pay $10-$20 more getting them from Slee. If you live local, add tax to that too. That's the mark up for them to be able to warranty, support and fully back the products that they sell. You can get them cheaper online.

If you're buying SOR built products, they're built to the highest standards you'll find and no expense has been spared to make sure the product is as bulletproof as they can make it. Even if that means having bolts and pins fabricated in small batches instead of bought in bulk from places like McMaster-Carr to ensure they wont fail. There is a cost for that.

What I'm learning is that buying a product from someone with many years of knowledge in a certain area is it's worth the extra money if the product (any product, not just bumpers here) is backed with customer service/support from an actual shop. Or, it's worth the exta money if the product is better built, time tested and revised by addressing any fixes/flaws that are found over time. Lastly, there is no price tag on the value of being able to walk into Slee's shop or call over there and have Christo say "hey (your name), hows it going?" Clearly, living in the Denver Metro area helps too.

Again, I'm not bashing BIOR products. Clearly he makes some nice stuff that people are using heavily everyday. His skid plates are very nice and people are very happy with the products he's putting out. All I'm saying is when you compare both bumpers, side by side, all parts/pieces disassembled, they are not the same. And, the price you pay reflects that.

Maybe giving Slee or BIOR a call would be best. I'm not a salesman and I can barely build a fire, so I'm just looking at this from a consumer standpoint. Ask them what is used to build each bumper. For the $2000+ you'll spend, it's worth the call to find out what you're buying. That's a lot of money.
 
I'm pretty amazed by the strength of spindle mount on my Slee. I have the extra leveraged, 1Gen long arm carrier too. I've had a couple hundred lbs mounted on it and while fully extended and can bounce the rear of the 100 up and down while seeing little flex on the spindle mount. Perhaps overkill.

Obviously, there is a difference in cost of the spindle itself but I'd like to see the difference in how they were mounted behind the bumper.

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This is Chris Sandstorm's BIOR pic....

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I have the 1st gen. Slee that I bought used and love it, and here's why:


Pros:

  • Departure angle clearance. Tire up on the swing-out and an integrated hitch make a very noticeable difference. If I leave shackles on the recovery points, those are now what hit but the bumper easily clears obatacles where I previously dragged the rear or would get hung up.
    Very stout recovery points.
    Impact tolerance.
    Ability to carry a second spare underneath for long trips where clearance is less of an issue. I run 255s so it tucks up pretty well and still better due to not having the factory hitch.

    Swing arm is a virtual Swiss Army knife. I use it for:
    • CB and 2m antenna
      OBA outlet port
      Removable bait table
      Propane distribution post/lantern hanger
      Hi-Lift
      Shovel
      Boomerang Joey tire cover storage pack that carries recovery gear, Rudd chains
      Storing leveling ramps that double as a traction/recovery aid
      Plan to fab a bracket for a work/backup light
      Occasionally store 1lb propane bottles or receiver ball in the well of the spare
      Great step for accessing top of vehicle and stowing tent

Cons:

  • Swingout is a PITA. Will interfere with almost all receiver hitch accessories and many trailers.
    Heavy. No single rear spring/shock seems to be a fit for both loaded and unloaded with this bumper. Had to install airbags.
    Heavy swingout. With a 90lb spare and all my **** on it, it can really get away from you on a side hill
    Have to remove bumper to replace striker plates
    Recovery points are shin-biters
    Installation/shimming is fussy
    Latch can be stiff. Needs to be adjusted/lubed to keep it working smoothly
    Driving off with it open makes you look like an idiot
I won't mention the drawbacks that Slee has improved on the 2nd gen. design or the new features I don't have. Still love it and not only would I do it again, I'd redo it with the new design and sell the old one if I had the coin.

Man would like to see you bumper setup. Sounds like you have fully utilized the structure.

Also, I have not seen a need for airbags while towing. But I have Slee springs, which are the OME 863's basically cut down for a more level stance.
 
Save your old bumper. If you had to, you could sell the Slee/BIOR rear bumper for a little less than new and have people standing in line to buy it.

Buy one and call me if you want to sell it for a little under new cost.

i hear this all the time but how many people ACTUALLY save all that crap and then put it all back on back to stock when they sell it....1% maybe? Face it...once we modify and get ready to sell the trucks are even older and the audience we are selling to is primarily other offroaders, outdoorsmen, etc. The years of the soccer mom are behind our vehicles...that is why the hell we got them as they were being sold for newer vehicles or ones with better mileage.

I think it is a waste of time and money to buy a motorcycle or offroad gear for use and then expect to get an investment return on either.

A little reading and experience will tell anyone what certain upgrades give you.......tires- traction and ground clearance and of course bad ass looks; sliders- protection to sills and body and some say maybe one of the MOST important upgrades if you are going to be driving offroad near rocks, stumps, etc or parking at Walmart where welfare moms park next to you and like to slam their doors into your nice ride; lift kit- ability to use larger tires, some increase in handling and ride in on and off road circumstances; front bumper- recover points, winch, lights, front protection from animal or obstacle collisions, approach angle when offroading; rear bumper- recovery points, departure angle when offroading, more protection than stock, ability to get spare without laying in mud, ants nest, snow or hot asphalt when retrieving tire....ability to load water or fuel cans without carrying inside of cabin or on roof; roof rack- more carrying capacity of varying items, more secure tie down of gear.


Look at your own use for vehicle....offroad once a month, hunt every weekend, camp half a dozen times a year......yeah I would get a bumper on front and rear with recovery points, winch, lights and spare tire carrier as well as water/fuel especially if you do some or all of these activities ALONE!!!! As far as comparison......if one spindle is rated at 20,000lbs and other is at 25,000 lbs.....does it really matter which you get if you only load 200 lbs on them ever? A gusset that is bolted vs welded is no different if the welds dont fail or the bolts dont come loose....it is for extra support and not bearing all the weight itself. Over engineering is good....but also drives up cost....some things are still better than required without going to the extreme while others are only good enough. I dont recommend comprising safety or reliability and getting GOOD ENOUGH....but I do not also endorse beefing up things to the extreme and making them more costly...a good compromise is what most people need and want. Hence my choice of BIOR....more than what is needed in any situation....but at a slight price difference. Face it....any of the top players is better than stock or me doing it myself. LOL

If you go to Uwharrie once a year....hunt once or twice very year....camp only when you go offroading to Uwharrie....then likely could get by with tires and nothing else....especially if always with someone else and not in middle of nowhere alone.

As much as your vehicle goes offroad and rock crawling and stuff....I would leave it alone and drive it....tires are about only thing you use on regular basis.....anything you do would be for looks....and besides the rear bumpers are not Air Bag compaitble...LOL

Just kidding....but if you dont have a valid and solid reason for needing the bumper.....dont get one.

People complain about having it with kids...dont understand how kids make a rear bumper more bothersome. the little things ride in seats right...they dont enter through back even in third row...they typically are not the ones to load and unload groceries in your vehicle unless you are starting to buck child labor laws early...then send them over as they can wash and wax mine and use their little fingers to dig fries and peanuts from between my seats and get dust out of vents. :) If it is your ONLY vehicle then yeah maybe getting stroller is a pain but these are big vehicles with big doors and large seats...everything will fit in cabin area except maybe a large stroller. That is why you put car seats and that stuff in your wifes vehicle and dont drive yours when you need it all. :) That is what I did....or we just dealt with it as it was only really a problem once or twice every month. Not worth me giving up on a vehicle I wanted for one or two times.

That is like buying a vehicle that will seat 6 instead of a truck you really need......because your parents come to visit once a year or your friends dont like riding in the back seat on the jump seats of your truck to lunch or to bars. F- em......they can drive if they dont like it...I buy my vehicles for the person that will sit in the driver seat 90% of the time...not the peasants and lesser beings in the 2nd and 3rd rows. LMAO :flipoff2::hillbilly::steer:
 
As far as comparison......if one spindle is rated at 20,000lbs and other is at 25,000 lbs.....does it really matter which you get if you only load 200 lbs on them ever? A gusset that is bolted vs welded is no different if the welds dont fail or the bolts dont come loose....it is for extra support and not bearing all the weight itself. Over engineering is good....but also drives up cost....some things are still better than required without going to the extreme while others are only good enough. I dont recommend comprising safety or reliability and getting GOOD ENOUGH....but I do not also endorse beefing up things to the extreme and making them more costly...a good compromise is what most people need and want. Hence my choice of BIOR....more than what is needed in any situation....but at a slight price difference. Face it....any of the top players is better than stock or me doing it myself. LOL
I agree with you, I prefer not to overbuild while sacrificing weight and added cost. But it is difficult to know exactly where that sweet spot is when only producing a small quantity. I want my bumper to function in 10 years as did when it was new. Stress cracks, design flaws can take awhile to show up. There is a lot more force than 200lbs on that spindle.

I'm not saying the BIOR spindle/tire carrier is weak. I don't know. But if you do a search for "tire carrier spindle failure" or words to that effect, you'll find many instances. Most of them are home brew fabs using 1" or larger spindles. But my point is, these carriers do fail and so it should be a valid concern for somebody paying out $2k+ for a bumper.
 
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My .02,

I don't think it is fair to tear apart the components used by one vendor just because the other vendor says this or that is not as good as what I do. I don't think there has been independent side by side failure testing between the Slee and BIOR components? But even if there has, really are you going to take it to that level of failure?

I know Christo does excellent work and his stuff always has that extra beefiness to his products. I guess I would argue is it necessary in this case? Is it worth the extra cash between the two vendors to you mr. customer?

Stan is saying yes, I am saying no. At the end of the day, our opinion matters more, because we are the consumer.

Mike's craftsmanship really shows on his BIOR rear bumpers and it is a quality product. For me I just liked the BIOR better.

I liked the finished look better, craftsmanship, going with a small vendor that was willing to do whatever custom work I wanted and bonus it was hundreds less than Slee's.

I have spent a great deal with Christo and really like his stuff, but this time I chose a different product that I felt was more of what I wanted.

I think it boils down to which one appeals to you more and where you want to spend your hard earned dollars.

Hope this helps your evaluation process.
 
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I got a BIOR because I could customize it however I wanted. I wont push it to its limits or even close. I think it looks cool and I couldnt build it myself.
 
Yes. I'm very happy with my Slee rear bumper w/ both swingouts.
 
I got a BIOR because I could customize it however I wanted. I wont push it to its limits or even close. I think it looks cool and I couldnt build it myself.
Customization is a huge PLUS and I would buy a BIOR for that reason too.

Of course, I'd ask for 1.75" spindles. :D
 
Even on a simple outing , once you are on a trail most of the time your not turning around. now with that said you have to do some pretty good stuff to end up like this: (not me)

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and not mind this look with zip ties.

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What can I say , we were talking about rear ends and I had to bring Nick into the thread. :grinpimp:

Now as a compare I always start out with price first , then function, then looks. For me I wanted to have bolt on features that I can swap on and off the arms. The only detail that didn't like I just fixed with the BIOR rear, is that it has open ends of the wings. (not the high clearance version) I like the way slee has his closed off and not open for mud and rocks.

I really needed a rear bumper as I seem to back into , drop , bang mine any where I can.
 
The only detail that didn't like I just fixed with the BIOR rear, is that it has open ends of the wings. (not the high clearance version) I like the way slee has his closed off and not open for mud and rocks.

I really needed a rear bumper as I seem to back into , drop , bang mine any where I can.

Very simple fix for this and i will go get a picture of what i did.

I took a sheet of scrap plastic laying around at the shop, cut it in approximately a boot shape, and used the two screws that used to hold on the mud flap to hold it in place. If for some reason crap gets behind it, takes 20 seconds to remove and clean behind. If you have a welded panel, you can't remove that to get behind there.
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The closed ends of the wings on the Slee dont really make a huge difference when it comes to mud. I still have to get in there and spray the crap out of them to get everything out, and the wings make it harder. They are more of an aesthetic and strength item. :meh:
 
mine are open but different than what you guys have.......easy to spray and clean behind...and reason I like them better.

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Very simple fix for this and i will go get a picture of what i did.

I took a sheet of scrap plastic laying around at the shop, cut it in approximately a boot shape, and used the two screws that used to hold on the mud flap to hold it in place. If for some reason crap gets behind it, takes 20 seconds to remove and clean behind. If you have a welded panel, you can't remove that to get behind there.

Dude, I need a set of these!
 
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