Icon Vehicle Dynamics Suspension Review (1 Viewer)

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My thoughts exactly!

I have been very curious will progressive shock handle high speeds really well? Or is digressive much better for this?

I found the rear CDC adjustment near the slide step.

http://accutuneoffroad.com/articles/digressive-vs-linear-vs-progressive-pistons-shock-valving/

"Digressive shocks are bad at small bumps and large bumps, but good at handling and g-outs. Progressive shocks are good at small bumps and big hits, but bad at handling and g-outs."
 
So, since I installed my suspension I have been bothering myself whether it was worth the $900 CDC upgrade. After last night I found out they were the best investment. I put the rear suspension to setting #4 (which is supposed to be close to stock) and man was the ride soooo ridiculously firm that I didn't feel comfortable going over 60mph. Reminded me of my OME suspension in my 100 a little bit. I was running Setting S (which is 0) and I was happily doing 120mph on the highway. I am going to try setting #2 today. My rear is completely unloaded. I will check later with passengers.

For some reason I run the fronts pretty high, previously I had it at 9, I am trying 7 currently. 9 might have been better but I want to verify with S in the rears. Basically I am running the fronts super firm and the rears super soft. It felt good on the highway but surprised I'm at the extremes.
 
Nice writeup - if you're adding weight or like to be able to go from slinky offorad to firm for highway - the CDC really shines.... I run 4f/2raround town and 10 F/ 8 r on highway trips.... and 1 all the way around on dirt roads....

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Nice writeup - if you're adding weight or like to be able to go from slinky offorad to firm for highway - the CDC really shines.... I run 4f/2raround town and 10 F/ 8 r on highway trips.... and 1 all the way around on dirt roads....

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Do you race offroad? I would have thought more firm for offroad.
 
perhaps for speed firmer would be good - most of my limited offroad is low and slow so I like it slinky....
 
I am still testing settings but I am contemplating sending the rears back in for a revalve. I do find the S setting perfect (currently testing 2) and since I am 99% unloaded and hardly 1-2% loaded in the rear I would like even greater adjustment range. I don't see myself ever going over 3 even with passengers (still being tested). I have no plans for a rear bumper and I can't see any other way I would add weight to the rear. Generally speaking if I am hauling anything it will go in my turbo diesel van.

If I am sending rears in, I was thinking about the fronts as I seem to be mostly firm 8+, currently testing setting 7. S was great for soft setting, but again not sure where soft in the front is desirable. It just made it bounce more often. I plan to test daily for over a month before sending anything in.
 
Damping is generally tuned and matched to spring rate at that corner, then fine tuned with the rest of the car. While it may seem that wow - a coilover has 16 positions - the reality is that there's only a limited set of positions that are optimal. In the rears, since you're running OEM coils, you're finding that you need less damping to match with the softer spring rates. Conversely, at the fronts with higher spring rate coils, you need more damping.

Part of the trouble with many coilovers and their abundant settings is that the end user has to dial it in. Sure, it's not lost on me that it allows for flexibility. At the same time, dialing in suspension is something OEM and professionals take seriously with lots of tuning time in various conditions. Sometimes it's almost better to have a tailored and tuned setup straight from a reputable manufacture. Higher end stuff will include a guide with suggested calibration which is the only stuff I'll consider. If I pay for high end coilovers, you betcha I would expect them to do the leg work to give me a optimal calibration that's been vouched for and tested. I'm paying for the tuning.

In regards to re-valving just the rears. Just my opinion but I believe you may be running in circles getting this dialed in. Suspension setups are a tuned set. Mixing and matching front and rears will make for an unbalanced handling setup, especially with such disparate spring rates. Just another idea would potentially be to run OE coils the front too (if possible). And use the adjustable damping of the Icons to get the ride you want? It might work rather well with the digressive shocks for more body control without the harshness of stiffer springs.
 
Great points! I think my issue starts with not wanting to lift. I don't see any kits designed for stock height. I was willing to spend the big money to get the ultimate suspension. I almost went the King route but I am happy I went with Icons (digressive). I do believe handling is greatly improved and also very comfortable especially since I got the CDC's. Had I not gotten them the rears would totally suck at setting 4.

Technically, I am pretty sure I have it dialed in, fronts somewhere 4-9 (still testing and like firm better). I do think S is perfect in the rear but it would be nice to have more adjust-ability than S-2. I found 4 to be very uncomfortable unloaded but will check how it feels with people in the car. I just don't see myself ever going above 5. I contacted Icon to see if they actually revalve the shock or if they adjust nitrogen pressure and they claim they revalve it internally. They will do it for free, I just need to ship it to them.
 
yep - the combined design of springs and shocks are generally targeted at vehicles that are adding weight as part of the process..... so my 1200lb heavier rig is going to preform utterly differently with the same setting /springs.

did you do a rear coil pack spacer to level the ride ?

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No, wanted to keep rear as low as possible. Fronts were lowered to lowest setting which was 0.88" taller which leveled out with the rear. In the beginning the rear was sitting very tall because shocks needed to settle.

I do love my ICONS.
 
Nice writeup - if you're adding weight or like to be able to go from slinky offorad to firm for highway - the CDC really shines.... I run 4f/2raround town and 10 F/ 8 r on highway trips.... and 1 all the way around on dirt roads....

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perhaps for speed firmer would be good - most of my limited offroad is low and slow so I like it slinky....

And woud you describe your CDCV as 'slinky'? My fear is that the Icon will be a bit 'German' and that maybing going BP-51 will be a bit more "Lexus"... ?
 
before armour on 6-8 it was firm... crisp even, but very composed and flat cornering....10 was a bit much... so I get Reckless viewpoint.
having had numerous built german cars it's alot like putting a set of KW coilovers into a C63 or S4...

Loaded it actually becomes slinkier in 1-3 then without the weight ( even with heavier rear springs) but on 10 retains much of its firm handling - as much as it can for a 3 ton tank......enought to feel comfortable running to Colorado at 85-95 for extended periods

I've only riden in one BP51 200 - it was very impressive, a bit more forgiving it seemed on the small hits and pavement creases perhaps ?

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And woud you describe your CDCV as 'slinky'? My fear is that the Icon will be a bit 'German' and that maybing going BP-51 will be a bit more "Lexus"... ?

I think it really comes down to whether you would be willing to give up low speed bumps for improved handling. BP51s are probably more plush at low speeds. Personally in my application I haven't felt my Icons were slinky. The fronts have been various degrees of firmness even at S they aren't slinky. The rears have been even higher degrees of firmness. I don't feel my Icons are truly german but I haven't driven a BMW SUV in a while and my military style G Wagons were slow behemoths.

I like this guy's videos and write ups, same link Linux put up. I had talked to him a month after ordering Icons but he seemed very knowledgeable and he worked and designed some coilovers for some company (I forget which one). If I didn't do the Icons I would have ordered something from him:
http://accutuneoffroad.com/articles/
 
I went from Bp51 to icons and actually icons are a bit more forgiving on small creases and bumps.
They also have better control of the truck and feel more comfortable overall at any speed.
 
Has anyone tried changing tire pressure to see if the ride becomes nicer? I am currently running 42psi in my KO2s. I saw one post where someone got better results at 38psi over 42.
 
Tires are a component of the suspension system; the lower the pressure the lower the spring rate of that component. Unfortunately drag and tire temperature also increase with descreased inflation pressures while responsiveness decreases.

But yes, you can certainly aleviate a firm setup with lower tire pressures.
 
It's not that firm now. It's pretty much perfect at setting S. It's the rears that make the difference to me at high speeds. I feel like I am 98-99% there. If it were a tad smoother it would be perfect.
 
I run between 33 and 35psi......it's like a caddy on butter
 

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