I screwed something up....(running rich, too rich to idle)

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Matador98

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Ok, long story short, this weekend, I did the following, in this order:

Replaced a leaky collector gasket, everything was fine.
Did the timing, everything fine.
Adjusted the valves (a newbie, but it seemed to go well and was easy), everything was fine.
By fixing the collector gasket, I found some other manifold leaks (one pretty big) that I cinched down and tried to decrease so I can get through smog. On the big one, it was on the rear manifold expansion seam, I just used some cheap exhaust tape to seal it up temporarily, again, until smog is over and I have time to fully remove it and replace the gaskets.

It ran great for a drive around the block, but as time went on the idle got worse, and worse, and worse......

It is now running so rich the exhaust in the garage burns your eyes and you can just smell how freaking rich it is. What did I do to cause that to happen slowly with those repairs/adjustments? Re-checked timing, and it is fine, all cylinders are firing, choke is not stuck, etc. All the basic stuff has been checked and I am stumped. The only possible answer is that my cat converter is so clogged, now that the leaks are sealed, there is a ton of back pressure on the motor. My plan tomorrow, after the exhaust cools down, is to take the exhaust apart before the cat to see what happens, a cheap check.

Any other suggestions of what it may be?
 
Nobody, huh?

I thought about this to add; If I cover up the carb slightly with my hand, to decrease the amount of air, the truck leans out and the RPMs kick up to about 2000-2500 RPM, at idle, so then it won't stall. So it is definitely getting too much gas when it is idling. I've been thinking about it all day, why?

Something with the EGR or heat riser that happened coincidentally?
 
If you cover up the carb slightly w/ your hand, and RPM's pick up and smooth out, then it is running too lean. By restricting the intake of air, the carb is forced to pull more fuel. The exhaust is stinky because it is running so lean that combustion is only happening halfway. The fire goes out in some of the cylinders before all of the fuel is burned, so there is a big jump in HC's out the tailpipe, and an erratic idle.

Look for the usual culprits: vacuum leaks at manifold gasket, carb idle mix adjusted wrong, idle jet plugged up, bad brake booster, PCV valve....
 
Thanks Jim, appreciate it. I did have both the Brake booster vacuum lines and the PCV lines off....actually, when I took the full intake off, there was a crack in the PCV line coming from just above the manifold over the valve cover (it was fried and hard as a rock), so maybe it is that simple. Thanks again.

Any other ideas so I have a nice long list to play with when I have time to work on it again?
 
I'm out of town and have had zero time to figure this out. But of course, I've been problem solving in my head. So if it is running lean, of the of maintenance I performed, repairs made, etc. would cause the engine to run lean over the course of about 20 min. When I first started after the repairs it was good, and that is about how long it took for the crappy idle to begin.
 
I'm gunna try to fix it tonight. Any additional insight?
 
Some gunk getting stuck in one of the ports in the carb? Try shooting some carb cleaner through the brass ports at the base of it. That might help.
 
Riddle me this, riddle me that....

Guess what I did to fix it?

Nothing. WTF? It sat for a week until I had more time to work on it. GLTHFJ60, I looked down the carb for anything weird (again), and Jim, I looked at the vacuum hoses around the PCV, brake booster, etc. and made sure they were all connected (I just looked, didn't touch a thing, it was all fine). Fired it up and it was back to normal. Now I really have no clue. Oh well, she's working now, so maybe she was just mad at me.....

Just wanted to chime in because over 100 people have viewed this thread even though only two have responded...
 

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