HZJ75 - which brake pads do really fit?!

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I spend now about 4hours researching and didn't really find THE answer yet!
I am looking for a really high performance brake pad to get my 3.5ton HZJ75 to stop normal! I got 33" tires and NO WAY I can get ANY tire to lock, no matter how hard I push the pedal, I am FAR away from locking a tire!
And yes, the prop valve on the rear is set to max and shoes were adjusted lately.
I got SS lines, so that is not the problem either. Also got new slotted/drilled quality rotors and FRODO pads. That helped already over the OEM stuff but still not happy with the results.
No leaks, fresh fluid...

I was looking for hours at the EBC green but can't find the part number I need!
Now I found different comments on using Hilux LN106, 4 runner or even HDJ80 or 100series pads (with some grinding) but not enough to be really 100% sure!

WHO knows which pads I can get from the EBC green stuff tht would fit my car? If I can get them in the USA even better since I am traveling through the USA and will be leaving to south america soon!

I hope the EBC green got better brake power with the 0.45 friction factor.


thanks for any help!

oh and brake dust is absolutly ok for me, the car has to look dirty! ;)
 
Swap ur disc rotor into larger ones such as 80 series or 100 series. Mine hzj79 has larger disc rotor than urs. I'm running on 33' and it still can lock the tire and it weights 4.5 ton with goods. :cheers:
 
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Can I suggest you look at TRW pads! I believe They are the same as LUCAS pads, I run the TRW on both my 100 and 70 series with very good results , my HZJ75 stops really well, I have replaced rotors, resealed the calipers and replaced hoses !

They are a soft pad and wear fairly quickly.... They are very Dirty , your wheels will be black every week!

I replace the pads on my 70 every 50000 ish ks! My hungy is due for replacement now, they have approx 70-80000ks

Try them ..... You will like!!!


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Cheers !

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thnx for the replies!

phrogg4ever- yeah, I read your threads more than 1x but it confused me because of the years!
I also searched a long time on TYDI and as you I found that the calipers are the same as the 4runner, hilux etc: (47730‑35080)

http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/xref?s=47730‑35080&mU=on&mE=on&mJ=on&mG=on

BUT that thread confused me because the guy before you wrote about 95-99 calipers/pads being different than 90-95 and that a Tacoma pad would fit. When looking at TYDI the pad number is 04465‑60030 and is the SAME caliper for a 1993 HZJ75 OR a 1997 I just took as example and only fits some 7series cars:

http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/xref?s=04465‑60030&mU=on&mE=on&mJ=on&mG=on

Funny is that the 1995 Tacoma pad got this part number: 04465‑35080 . 04465 is the first number for HZJ75 caliper and 35080 for the HZJ75 brake pad. Coinsidence?

And you wrote about the 4runner, this one seems to have a total different part number than the HZJ75 but also a change in 1993:

http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_U_1994_TOYOTA_4RUNNER+TRUCK_RN130L-GKLSEA_4705.2.html?hl=04465

So you say the Tacoma and 4Runner pads (91-93 & 93-95) Toyota makes the same size pads with different part numbers? Why? Different mixture?
And why can't brake pad makers like EBC figure this out themselves and don't show up the HZJ on their catalog if the dimensions are the same?


HZJ79lee - HZJ79 got definitely a total different bolt pattern! I got 6 lugs where yours got 5. The only thing I read 1-2x was that a 80 series pad (which one I don't know) fits on my car with grinding something off and a 100series too with more grinding. But didn't see pictures or what exactly is different. So I stopped researching that path.

cruisers75100 - I got 24'000km on the pads right now and they are at about 20-30% of lifetime and they don't grab enough for me. I guess I am rather looking at a lifetime of 20'000 to max. 30'000 otherwise they are too hard for me... I don't care about the $ and changing every 20'000 as long as I can stop this 3.5tones adequately! If I got something on my trip it's time! :)


OH BY THE WAY, I got an european spec HZJ75 so I got DRUM brakes on the rear, not discs... that's another headache to find good brake shoes for that one!

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Bummer on the rear drums, my 97 has the discs on the rears. Another mod that I have seen was upgrading the booster and MC to the 80 series. Somebody (can't remember who) did that with decent results.

I hear you on the conflicting part numbers, and when you get into replaced and superseding part numbers, it is enough to make your head spin. Plus the 1990+ 70 series are a hodge podge of compatible parts. I have had many trial and error fittings with this truck:doh:

Thus is the life of a non-USA Landcruiser owner.

If you find out solid info, please post up your findings in the other x-ref thread. More the merrier:cheers:

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phrogg4ever - I just looked up on summitracing the EBC green pad for a 93 4runner and it gave me the DP6992 pad. And the DP6992 lists here: http://www.formulafriction.co.za/Downloads/EBC Pads.pdf for a FZJ80 that is an 8series car. So again the question if I need to grind something?
Man, it's just terrible confusing!
 
I'll take a look at the year/model that I got my test fit stuff thru NAPA.

Edit: looking at the NAPA stuff, it is the same part number for a 91 4R, 93 4R, and 93 LC: meh: looks like some possible cross comparability. The 96+ Taco pads are a different part number, but look similar.

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Early 90s 4Runner pads and calipers will work.

It's not possible to convert to 80 series brakes on a leaf sprung 70 series without some serious work.

The 80 series booster and master makes for a massive improvement in these vehicles - I have converted my HJ61 to the same calipers and pads as the early 90s 4Runner, and then with the bigger booster & master, it was a huge improvement in stopping performance with the PBR metalmaster pads.

I also use premium rotors, none of the cheap-o stuff... cheap parts just doesn't work well.

~John
 
thnx John for your reply here and quick email!

I will look if I can find those Nissan 300Z DB1170 metallic pads and also 4runner pads you recommended and take a look on the EBC green that is supposely to have 0.45 friction.

I guess to find a 80series booster and BJ74 MC is a little bit difficult in the USA, not sure how it will be in central or south america?

But could I only change the booster? What mods will I have to do to fit my HZJ75 MC on it?

And will a BJ74 MC fit on my booster or a 80series booster? Mods needed?

What size MC is the HZJ75 and BJ74? I do work often on Mopar musclecars and also love to change from the stock 1.125" or even bigger MC to the 15/16", HUGE difference!!! Just always care needs to be taken to make sure there is enough piston travel left!!
 
U can get 5 lugs rims easily from France =D
 
Blade said:
thnx John for your reply here and quick email!

I will look if I can find those Nissan 300Z DB1170 metallic pads and also 4runner pads you recommended and take a look on the EBC green that is supposely to have 0.45 friction.

I guess to find a 80series booster and BJ74 MC is a little bit difficult in the USA, not sure how it will be in central or south america?

But could I only change the booster? What mods will I have to do to fit my HZJ75 MC on it?

And will a BJ74 MC fit on my booster or a 80series booster? Mods needed?

What size MC is the HZJ75 and BJ74? I do work often on Mopar musclecars and also love to change from the stock 1.125" or even bigger MC to the 15/16", HUGE difference!!! Just always care needs to be taken to make sure there is enough piston travel left!!
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BJ74 is 7/8'' which is the same as 60 series and the other pre 1990ish 70 series, your HZJ75 should be 15/16''. My pedal travel is a little longer than what it used to be but still more than useable.

The brake booster made the biggest different, only mod was to extend the rod to the brake pedal about 25mm
 
thnks for the infos!

I will look if I can find an MC or booster in central america... for now I think I will get better pads and try how improvement I can get.

I couldn't find the Bendix stuff here in the USA (seems to be only for Australia market) but ordered an EBC green, Hawk HPS , both for 4Runner and will compare them to a spare NEW Frodo set I have with me and report here... and will try them too how they perform! :)

By the way, I am very happy with my Mickey Thomson Rims. I didn't find ANY HZJ75 rims that would have 3000lbs load rating, most are 1500lbs and with my 3.5-3.7tons / about 2-2.2tons on the rear axle too me too low load rating.
 
Locked79 - can't see it without loggin in and I send them about 1 week ago a request to join but no answer so far so probably won't be able to see that...

Anyway, I ordered now 3 different sets, 1 I got already and will post pictures and measurements as soon as I get the 2 others in the next few days for further reference...
 
The 80 series booster and MC will fit just fine on the BJ74 and many other Land Cruisers. Bolt patterns are the same.

Usually a larger diameter bore will require more pedal effort, but a 1/16" change is very minimal and the 80 series booster way more than makes up for it.

In my HJ61 I had tried a number of different pad formulations - because I can relatively cheaply due to being in the repair industry - and I found that using premium parts with a high grade metallic pad was the best combination.

Using all "Premium" line pads that are re-branded Raybestos (sold under the Napa Canada nameplate):

- Organics were sketchy at best with only moderate stopping power, a fair bit of heat build up, quite a bit of fade once things got hot.

- Ceramics, somewhat better than the Organics for stopping power, less fade, but generally crappy pedal feel and they didn't make me feel very confident.

- Metallics (note that semi-metallic and metallic are really the same thing, the terms are used interchangeaby) Better stopping power than the ceramics, better control under hot conditions but subject to fade as well on long, hot descents with a loaded trailer. I ran these the longest by far, and then changed out the pads, rotors, master (80 series), booster (80 series) and front brake hoses to the Mountain rotors (Japan), PBR Metal Master pads.

Not entirely a fair comparison of pads alone, but the metal masters had more friction and more positive stopping once they were bedded in properly. There was a very big improvement between freshly installed unbedded pads and when they were bedded in properly.

I've been running the metal masters for about 15 months in this vehicle now under mostly daily driving conditions but also on some longer trips (Death Valley last winter, Alberta through the mountains in the summer both with the Roof Top Tent in place and the vehicle loaded quite heavily), and towing with my hunting trailer fairly heavily loaded on three separate moose/elk/deer trips to Dawson Creek from Vancouver Island. I have about 40,000 kms on them and all looks good so far.

I'm always looking for better brakes, and if there's something out there that performs even better, especially under hot braking conditions, I would like to hear about it.


~John
 
Ok, I ordered now different pads while in the USA. I hope I can use them somehow, sending them back is not really possible now...

I ordered from euro4x4parts.com before I left on this trip the Ferodo DB1149WD. Those are supposed to be higher performance pads but still not very aggresive. I got about 30'000km so far and there is about 20-30% left on them. So I guess I will get max. 40'000km out of them. They dust pretty much but I don't care about that. They definatly brake better tham OEM! I would say about 20% better braking than before. The pads did fit perfectly and it seems that it's like the Bendix DB1149
But with my weight and wheels I am still far away from blocking the tires! So I ordered now following pads:

2. EBC Green Stuff DP7807 (same as DP807 or DP6807)

Tacoma 4WD '95-'98
4Runner <'91

3. EBC Green Stuff DP7992 (same as DP992 or DP6992)
Lexus LX450 '96-'97
4Runner '92-'96
Landcruiser (which series they mean I have NO idea!) '91-'97
T100 4WD '93-'99

4. Hawk HB311 F.591

Here a picture of all 4 pads, on the left the Ferodo I am using right now, then pad 2, 3 and No. 4 on the right.

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Now, the comparison:

A. The Ferodo got the max. surface since the left and right boarders are not chamfered at all. No idea if that helps in braking...

B. Pad 2 and Ferodo are totally alike in form and dimensions except that the Ferodo is 14.3mm thick while pad 2 is 15mm thick (in reality 16mm but I removed 1mm for the anti-rattle-shim that is already glued to Pad 2-4! Ferodo got NO shims included!) I guess after brake-in the special red coating will be gone and the measurement will rather read something like 14.6mm or so. I HOPE I can fit them since they are thicker! But otherwise they look like a perfect match!

C. Pad 3 and pad 4 got the same dimensions BUT are not exactly the same as pad 1 & 2. The lower pads on the picture look the same but stick 4mm more out as you can see on this picture:

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This might already touch the disc, I will have to give it a try or remove some metal there.

D. Pad 3 & 4 are also on the upper pads (see overlook picture) different than pad 1 & 2. They are again roundish versus the pad 1 & 2 that are not. This should work fine. What bothers me more is the fact, that the brake material seems to be 1-2mm shifted lower! That means it will work on a smaller diameter on the disc and that means also it will have a little bit less of grabbing power since they radius where it grabs is smaller! Not sure if this will be noticable but still... here the comparison of pad 1 and pad 3 side to side:

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I will keep now all 3 sets and am going to test them soon in Mexico and HOPEFULLY they will fit with more or less work. But I will post here any news!



John - thanks for the infos, will look into this 80series stuff when I see one.. supposely in Nicaragua are much more LC around, so maybe there?
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