hydrogen power plans for any motor.
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What is the point of your post?
Do a search and you will find more of these bogus websites about hydrogen boost and stuff. They are scams..period...
Sorry.. Everyone is looking for better mileage but you are not going to find it with one of these hydrogen kits they sell on these websites.
Do a search and you will find more of these bogus websites about hydrogen boost and stuff. They are scams..period...
Sorry.. Everyone is looking for better mileage but you are not going to find it with one of these hydrogen kits they sell on these websites.
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rockyklg said:hey all,
gas is just over 3.20 a gallon here in the SF bay area and i just wanted to share a few links i found.
first what seems to be an original of sorts. of course he died before his time. crudely written but i cant find any problems with the plans.
http://www.hasslberger.com/tecno/hydrogen.html
second someone trying to make a buck on the same basic principal.
http://www.savefuel.ca/
granted the corrosion is a problem and i am thinking there is a good way to setup a bifuel system using cella's basic plans ( redundency, simplicity, and mainetenance) instead of going all stainless and pure hydrogen.
i for one, am going to find out, and hopefully others will too...
oh and just as a preemptive to any conservation of energy nay sayers: (from http://www.able2know.com/forums/about26695-0-asc-20.html )
The problem is discussing this subject is that most of us get so wound up in our underlying belief systems that we fail to observe the obvious or check the science.
Beliefs such as "if it were true, scientists would have proved it so" or "free energy must exist" or "you can't get more out than you put in so it can't exist, conservation of energy and all that......"
Fact No.1 By definition "Free energy" is an energy source where man puts in less energy into a system than he gets out, usually by tapping into a cycle of nature.
Fact No.2 The conservation of energy does state that energy change from one form to another. The energy in the wood you burn on a fire gets converted to heat. The wood does not get recycled back into wood, seedlings or any other form of wood derivative. All you get is carbon and heat. Once the heat is used, you can't get it back. All you have is a bit a small amount of carbon dust. This is called using it up.
Fact No.3 You may recall of a man called Archie Blue. He built a device to extract hydrogen and oxygen from water through electrolysis, an process we did as experiments at high school.
Fact No.4 He demonstrated to the British Royal Auto Club on the Island of Guernsey in 1977. the BRAC attested to the fact that he there was no sleight of hand or trick, and that it did work and that he was getting approximately 100mpg on water, from a current of 2 or 3 amps from a car battery.
Fact No.5 I have tried various experiments myself and had actually met Archie and discussed his invention.
Fact No.6 The concept that a water/hydrogen powered car could not work because of conservation of energy is bollocks. This would only not work if you were expecting all the water and electricity back that you used to create the oxygen and hydrogen in the first place.
For every litre of water that went into Archie's device and engine, less than a litre of water came out the exhaust pipe. Why ? Because the energy contained in the missing water went into heat, just as the burnt wood went into heat.
Fact No. 7 Water is a source of energy, just like the coal in the ground, or the timber in the trees. Man taps into a cycle of nature and puts in less energy than he gets out. And scientists tell you that there is enough energy in a glass of water to power the Queen Mary across the Atlantic.
Take petrol for example. If we apply the same flawed argument about the water energy to petrol, we wouldn't have a petrol engine. Why ?
Well to drill for oil, transport oil, and refine oil, we need ...... guess what ? Oil, diesel, and petrol.......shyte...
Blind use of "Conservation of energy" dictates that we never get out more than we put in, so it will take more oil and diesel & petrol to run the oil rigs, refinerys, ocean going oil tankers, and delivery tankers than we could ever get out by burning the fuel. But clearly this does take place.
Oil has latent energy in it, so does wood, and water and so on. All we are doing is using it.
Fact No.8 Using Fact No.1 definition, Coal, wood, and oil are all examples of "Free Energy", but the biggest source of free energy is Hydro-electricity. Every time we turn on a light switch we are tapping into nature.
Fact No.9 Just because something is "Free Energy" does not mean it will cost nothing. Someone has to dig it up, process, or put it into a commercial form, the only problems occur when a particular group want to keep a monopoly on a particular energy production and therefore allow ideas to be circulated that prevent alternative or competitive forms of energy being promoted.
have at it.
is that your educated and experienced opinion, or just cause you say so>?
Seriously ,do you think its all part of a conspiracy to stop us having cheap affordable power by the carmakers and oil corporations?
The facts 1-9 that you listed are your beliefs and not that factual.
This is particuarly true with number 9
Are there Matrix style agents going around killing off inventions before they reach the public?
Please get a working example into prototype stage and come back and show it to us and dont tell anyone else
This should be moved to chat.
I've been looking at hydrogen as a secondary fuel for a long time, but put it out of my head while I was planning to do the 4BT conversion. Now that I've got a marriage and possible move to Florida coming up, the diesel conversion has been put on the back burner and now I'm trying to squeeze as much mileage and power out of my 3FE as I can. That Hydro-Gen kit sounds like a too-good-to-be-true thing to me, but the way it's set up is along the lines of other hydrogen injection kits I've read about.
If nothing else, it's intriguing.
Rosco, I doubt there's any comspiracy by the car manufacturers to keep us from alternative fuels, but I firmly believe that oil companies fight tooth and nail to keep alternative fuels out of our grasp. Just imagine how much money they would lose and how many middle eastern countries' economies would crumble if oil consumption plummeted. Would I like to see that happen? HELL YES I WOULD. They can go to hell for all I wish. As far as the automakers, I think they're just being controlled, whether by blackmail or other means.
I've been looking at hydrogen as a secondary fuel for a long time, but put it out of my head while I was planning to do the 4BT conversion. Now that I've got a marriage and possible move to Florida coming up, the diesel conversion has been put on the back burner and now I'm trying to squeeze as much mileage and power out of my 3FE as I can. That Hydro-Gen kit sounds like a too-good-to-be-true thing to me, but the way it's set up is along the lines of other hydrogen injection kits I've read about.
If nothing else, it's intriguing.
Rosco, I doubt there's any comspiracy by the car manufacturers to keep us from alternative fuels, but I firmly believe that oil companies fight tooth and nail to keep alternative fuels out of our grasp. Just imagine how much money they would lose and how many middle eastern countries' economies would crumble if oil consumption plummeted. Would I like to see that happen? HELL YES I WOULD. They can go to hell for all I wish. As far as the automakers, I think they're just being controlled, whether by blackmail or other means.
Frankly, with the way most countries have fxxxed around the oil companies, I wouldn't be surprised if they're secretly the biggest champions of alternative fuels.
I've noticed that the largest fleet of alternative fuel vehicles in this state are owned by the oil companies, for what it's worth.
I've noticed that the largest fleet of alternative fuel vehicles in this state are owned by the oil companies, for what it's worth.
Advent said:
The oil companies are no longer oil companies,they are ENERGY companies and will invest in any alternative power source if it is viable.
At the moment there is no other viable energy source that can cover all the bases like crude can.
srplus
Walked with the Dinosaurs
YEARS ago Shell was spending more on investigating alternative energy than any one else on the planet... i would doubt that they have given up and decided to try to block it instead. too conspiracy theory for me and should be in chat... let me know personally when you have completed your hydrogen conversion and i am sure we can arrange a presidential medal of freedom for you.
rockyklg said:
http://www.savefuel.ca/
This site is nothing but a scam..and yes this is my educated and experienced opinion.
But please don't believe me and order up and kit and show me how good of mileage you get once you order it and install it. Looks like they have a money back guarantee so you should be safe? right?
Yes there is some truth to using hydrogen to power a car but with a system like this using electrolysis you will get no usable amount of hydrogen to improve performance.
Goodluck
NocalFJ60 said:http://www.savefuel.ca/
This site is nothing but a scam..and yes this is my educated and experienced opinion.
But please don't believe me and order up and kit and show me how good of mileage you get once you order it and install it. Looks like they have a money back guarantee so you should be safe? right?
Yes there is some truth to using hydrogen to power a car but with a system like this using electrolysis you will get no usable amount of hydrogen to improve performance.
Goodluck
It's funny you should mention that, because the guy who owns the storage unit complex where I keep my VW just ordered one that he's going to install in his daughter's to see if it works as advertised. He said he'd let me know if it works or not. Plus if it doesn't work and they won't give him a refund, he'll report them to the BBB.
I, for one, am curious to see how this thing will work out.
roscoFJ73 said:is that your educated and experienced opinion, or just cause you say so>?
Seriously ,do you think its all part of a conspiracy to stop us having cheap affordable power by the carmakers and oil corporations?
The facts 1-9 that you listed are your beliefs and not that factual.
This is particuarly true with number 9
Are there Matrix style agents going around killing off inventions before they reach the public?
Please get a working example into prototype stage and come back and show it to us and dont tell anyone else
Ok. First of all, tell me how ALL of these are beliefs. 5,6,7 and 9 are arguable, but the rest seem to be pretty solid. Not trying to be a nusance, just playing devil's advocate.
Rockyklg, are you seriously going to build one of these engines? Are you going to use a 2F? What are you going to do about the iron block, head and valves?
This is not chat, but an engineering question as long as he is really going to build it.
Definately worthwhile!
Well one thing that we should be clear on whatever the case, hydrogen as an alternative fuel is here. BMW has had test vehicles for seveal years running on hydrogen, and there is a hydrogen refueling station at the Berlin airport.
California is looking to add hydrogen refueling stations as well, in anticipation of using this alternative fuel.
However, we are not talking about a water fueled vehicle, but hydrogen only, which requires a hydrogen fuel cell to store the fuel. Whatever the case may be with a water engine, which I am not prepared to debate, hydrogen engines are around the corner. I would love to eventually replace my gas engine with an alternative fuel engine like this. A true zero emission engine is very attractive to me, whatever other factors there are present (e.g. fuel economy, etc.).
I encourage anyone out there to pursue this line of thinking...maybe someone can succeed where others failed.
California is looking to add hydrogen refueling stations as well, in anticipation of using this alternative fuel.
However, we are not talking about a water fueled vehicle, but hydrogen only, which requires a hydrogen fuel cell to store the fuel. Whatever the case may be with a water engine, which I am not prepared to debate, hydrogen engines are around the corner. I would love to eventually replace my gas engine with an alternative fuel engine like this. A true zero emission engine is very attractive to me, whatever other factors there are present (e.g. fuel economy, etc.).
I encourage anyone out there to pursue this line of thinking...maybe someone can succeed where others failed.
I think there are many different uses of hydrogen being talked about here.From what I heard so far as that it would be very unlikely to see a lot of small cars running on just hydrogen. The main issues are the size of the fuel tank to still get a decent amount of miles between filling up the tank. There are buses being used now that run on hydrogen but since they are able to carry around a big tank and don't have to travel long distances between fill ups it works.
Water engine? Looks like the main inventor here got sued for scaming investors out of a lot of money when he could not live up to his claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell
Water engine? Looks like the main inventor here got sued for scaming investors out of a lot of money when he could not live up to his claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell
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Hey rockyklg,
Hey when you get it running your first tank of water is on me .. and a cold one...
Hey when you get it running your first tank of water is on me .. and a cold one...
Hey Spook where are ya moving in Florida if ya dont mind me asking???
Mercedes is the leading edge of hydrogen fuel cell cars.
On th e save fuel thing, my neighbor and I are backyard scientist so we split the cost of one and have run it in my Tracker for 7 months and as we guessed it made no difference in milage most of the time. Three time it did affect milage, it went down! The units are nothing but ABS pipe, all thread and sink strainers...total POS!. It has leaked from the start and the company says they will replace the "defective parts". I have emailed them my results and complaints we will see what the response is and I will let you guys know how it goes. Save your $$$ for a good tune up. So far our experiment is not supporting their claims. As to my qualifications BS and MS working on Doctorate in Biology, have enough chemistry background to know how hydrolysis works and the theory behind the unit. Have enough mechanical knowledge to put a vortec in a LC
