How fast is Too Fast?

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Hi Folks,

I have been shooting for 40 mph on one of my rides for a couple months and have only made it to 38. I got to thinking about it, and I wondered if my helmet will do me any good at that speed. I am sure it won't hurt any, but I doubt it will do squat at more than about 30--that is just a guess on my part.

This begs a couple of questions:

How fast do you have to go before your standard bike helmet is useless?

Are there any bike helmets that are better suited for high speed crashes? (short of a motorcycle helmet)

Any thoughts?


Dan
 
Your helmet is always useful and may save your life at any speed you can reach. A friend of mine wrecked descending on the Enchanted Circle in NM in September. 47 mph, 2 fx'd vertebrea, 6 broken ribs, collarbone, wasted helmet. Though he was knocked out for a minute or so, no brain damage.

My max speed was in a fast-moving line trying to max out on a pretty steep descent. It was scary.
 
A guy that I ride with hit 63 on a descent in the Blue ridge mountains.....I don't think I want to go that fast on my bike......
 
This is something of a controversy in downhill racing. A lot of people are running a motorcycle helmet! I bought a moto helmet for my son. That's not an option for the street, but wearing the best helmet you can afford is a good idea.
 
On a flat surface, not far at all. On a descent, it could get dicey depending on the grade and how wet it is.

My max was 59. When I pulled off the front of the line, the remaining guys broke 60 by a couple.
 
The helmet will help. It will take a lot of the initial impact if your skull hits the pavement. It will also save your scalp from road rash.
your face is hamburger unless you get a full face helmet.

just remember tuck and roll, cover the face. Better your forearms than your face.
 
64mph on the back side of Trappers Loop in, passed a car and thought better of what I was doing. I know I would never take it up that high again.
 
That's crazy off road.

I had built a hardtail with a triple clamp 4" fork (big at the time, maybe 1997), 54t front ring and an MRP chainguide. The course ended with a long straight fire road section where you could gear up, stand up and crank. There was a dude who was also a baseball coach with a radar gun right before the finish line.
 
Buffalo Springs Triathlon used to go down into a canyon, straight down, up the other side and back through again. Everyone did over 60mph down, while racers wove up, too steep to climb straight up. Many serious injuries. I've gone over the handlebars at over 40 on new pavement, it takes a long time to stop when sliding/rolling on new pavement. The initial impact absorbs a lot of energy, breaking bones and helmets and such.

I'd like to wear a hardshell, don't know if they even make them anymore, but I'm slowing down and probably don't need it.
 
I could regularly hit 40+ on road rides on the downhill sections.

Doing the California Deathride, I think I hit 55mph.

edit...........when the tandems came by, they had to be near 70mph.
 
You guys are friggin nuts. Just saying. :steer:
 
hit 75 on a flat road once tied a ski rope on my buddy truck ball held the rope kna n the mid of the bars and picked up speed , yeaa it was crazy i was 17 and did have on shorts my mx helment and gloves and no shirt but my chest protector ! soo was safe hahaha damm we do dumb things when we young ,
 
I could regularly hit 40+ on road rides on the downhill sections.

Doing the California Deathride, I think I hit 55mph.

edit...........when the tandems came by, they had to be near 70mph.

Tandems are awesome. Get two fit guys hammering the road and you're smokin' fast. I'd like to get one in a few years and find a dedicated rider to join up.

Nothing beats honking speed on a bike, be it mountain or road.
 
I live at the top of a mountain and the fast way down is a two-mile, steep, straight, divided, wide and well-paved road. Unless I apply brakes, and I generally don't unless it is wet, and it's usually not wet, I am going 45-55 mph without thinking about it. I normally ride at about 85 lbs front/rear. If I for some reason have my tires inflated to race pressure, say 120/130 front/rear, and drop into a tuck, I could easily hit 60. Faster if I pushed it. This is normal for a road race descent; although rarely for extended times.

I have crashed at speed, in a race, on a very fast descent. Although my helmet didn't have a scratch, I do remember "coming to" as I was being dragged by the armpits - broken collarbone and all - off the road by a teammate. I think in the moment, once I was over my handlebars and had my arms extended in the Superman position, my mind said 'fxxx it, let's not remember this' and checked out. Honestly the last thing I remember is my front wheel hitting the back of the guy who went down in front of me, putting a few of his ribs into his lungs. We had a morbid laugh in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Well I laughed; he kind of wheezed and choked on bloody spit.

Anyway (aside from racing where you have to go as fast as possible regardless of the hazards or wtf are you there for?) if there is no one in front of me, I tend to consider the descending risk in terms of road rash potential (how smooth is the pavement?) and roadside hazards I might strike (parked cars, fence posts, newspaper racks, rocks and the impact they will make on my body) if I were to find myself out-of-control at some speed. And I adjust my speed accordingly. A lot also depends on the condition of my front tire (especially now that I ride clinchers), a blowout of which really decreases the maneuverability of a bike at speed.

But to be honest, I have never considered the impact of higher speeds on the effectiveness of a helmet. I know it is way too simplistic an analysis, but the fact is when you fall you only fall a few feet; it's the sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiding that does the damage.

I probably have a different mindset because I have raced since the early seventies; hardshell helmets weren't required until 1986 in the USA and I don't think pros had to wear helmets at all until a few years later. And head injuries in racing were not common back then. Probably because bike racing was not very popular; only really good cyclists were interested, and they were probably really good because they were naturals. And naturals are less likely to get hurt. Just my opinion. I'm not bragging; I'm more likely to hurt myself in the kitchen than I am on a bicycle going any speed. Nowadays, however, cycling is the new golf. Everybody has an expensive road bike and lycra shorts! And a lot of the guys I ride with may be strong, but they really can't ride a bike safely and have no concept of safe, defensive, hazard-avoidance riding. I have tried to transmit my experience and insight to new guys but it is very difficult to do so. And this pool of cyclists is more likely to include guys who aren't "naturals".

I have also noticed that guys who hold the bars tight tend to crash more, as they put the center of gravity forward to the front wheel with that death-grip. Guys who only rest their hands on the bars (like yours truly) keep the cog back on the rear wheel, crash less and are more likely to get their arms out in front when they do crash. This sacrifices the circuit-breakers (road rash and the odd collarbone) but protects from separated shoulders and head injuries.

Are you a handlebar-grabber? Go to a grassy park, practicing riding with your hands off the bars until you can ride in smaller and smaller circles without touching the bars or leaning forward. You are learning to steer with your hips.

I just thought I'd share some insight but, to be honest, now that you bring it up I will be thinking more and more about speed vs crash ratings for headgear.
 
I used to be a serious competitive mountain biker, fell hundreds of times at slower speeds and got a feel for it. When I hit a dog at around 40mph I was down on aero bars, but still managed to tuck and roll, I'm sure that saved me. I brushed myself off and continued on my ride, didn't know I'd broken my frame and some bones 'till I stopped at the house of my sponsor, a serious road racer and chiropractor. I was on his old custom Fuji Professional, very strong steel frame lucky for me, Fuji overbuilt it for his insane strength. If I'd gone superman over the bars I would've been in bad shape, alone on a remote country road.
 
I live at the top of a mountain and the fast way down is a two-mile, steep, straight, divided, wide and well-paved road. Unless I apply brakes, and I generally don't unless it is wet, and it's usually not wet, I am going 45-55 mph without thinking about it. I normally ride at about 85 lbs front/rear. If I for some reason have my tires inflated to race pressure, say 120/130 front/rear, and drop into a tuck, I could easily hit 60. Faster if I pushed it. This is normal for a road race descent; although rarely for extended times.

I have crashed at speed, in a race, on a very fast descent. Although my helmet didn't have a scratch, I do remember "coming to" as I was being dragged by the armpits - broken collarbone and all - off the road by a teammate. I think in the moment, once I was over my handlebars and had my arms extended in the Superman position, my mind said 'fxxx it, let's not remember this' and checked out. Honestly the last thing I remember is my front wheel hitting the back of the guy who went down in front of me, putting a few of his ribs into his lungs. We had a morbid laugh in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Well I laughed; he kind of wheezed and choked on bloody spit.

Anyway (aside from racing where you have to go as fast as possible regardless of the hazards or wtf are you there for?) if there is no one in front of me, I tend to consider the descending risk in terms of road rash potential (how smooth is the pavement?) and roadside hazards I might strike (parked cars, fence posts, newspaper racks, rocks and the impact they will make on my body) if I were to find myself out-of-control at some speed. And I adjust my speed accordingly. A lot also depends on the condition of my front tire (especially now that I ride clinchers), a blowout of which really decreases the maneuverability of a bike at speed.

But to be honest, I have never considered the impact of higher speeds on the effectiveness of a helmet. I know it is way too simplistic an analysis, but the fact is when you fall you only fall a few feet; it's the sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiding that does the damage.

I probably have a different mindset because I have raced since the early seventies; hardshell helmets weren't required until 1986 in the USA and I don't think pros had to wear helmets at all until a few years later. And head injuries in racing were not common back then. Probably because bike racing was not very popular; only really good cyclists were interested, and they were probably really good because they were naturals. And naturals are less likely to get hurt. Just my opinion. I'm not bragging; I'm more likely to hurt myself in the kitchen than I am on a bicycle going any speed. Nowadays, however, cycling is the new golf. Everybody has an expensive road bike and lycra shorts! And a lot of the guys I ride with may be strong, but they really can't ride a bike safely and have no concept of safe, defensive, hazard-avoidance riding. I have tried to transmit my experience and insight to new guys but it is very difficult to do so. And this pool of cyclists is more likely to include guys who aren't "naturals".

I have also noticed that guys who hold the bars tight tend to crash more, as they put the center of gravity forward to the front wheel with that death-grip. Guys who only rest their hands on the bars (like yours truly) keep the cog back on the rear wheel, crash less and are more likely to get their arms out in front when they do crash. This sacrifices the circuit-breakers (road rash and the odd collarbone) but protects from separated shoulders and head injuries.

Are you a handlebar-grabber? Go to a grassy park, practicing riding with your hands off the bars until you can ride in smaller and smaller circles without touching the bars or leaning forward. You are learning to steer with your hips.

I just thought I'd share some insight but, to be honest, now that you bring it up I will be thinking more and more about speed vs crash ratings for headgear.

You make some excellent points. My trouble is that being 6'5", I have a hard time keeping my COG on the back wheel without sitting up like a sail. Bikes my size tend to make me lean a ways forward to ensure I get a full stroke on the pedals... Maybe I need a Lemond...
 
If you are willing to hump a moto helmet to the top of the hill it will protect you better than a bike helmet. With that said I am never going to wear a moto helmet on a MTB ride. Why? I am too old to want to go that fast anymore. I am too smart to go that fast any more. I am too lazy to carry all that weight.

I have been over 60 mph on my mountain bike. It is awsome and crashing is not an option at that speed;). I am more scared on a road bike at those speeds than I am on my mtb. JMHO & YMMV.
 

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