Honda's new 2.2 liter TDI. 76 MPG

[HZJ60 Guy]

Anyone seen this? Honda Accord that gets 76MPG. A turbo deisel. Can you even imagine how this car would positivily effect peoples lives? 76 MPG, it could help so many people in the lower income budgets.... Good lord why isnt this car in the US? Damn it.


http://www.carpages.co.uk/honda/honda_diesel_sets_new_world_records_12_05_04.asp?switched=on&echo=807960405

 

[beaufort-fj60]

ha, good for honda... i bet if they put that tdi in the base model civic it would get 100mpg.

 

[dieseldog]

It makes sense; therefore, of course, we'll never see it.

 

[beaufort-fj60]

It makes sense; therefore, of course, we'll never see it.

intresting to see if they would put that tdi in their "truck"

 

[honk]

ha, good for honda... i bet if they put that tdi in the base model civic it would get 100mpg.

The article says that one of the accords got what they called a 'staggering' 96 mpg.

The car would sell like hotcakes here. Accords are nice comfortable things and big enough to be a 'family' car.

 

[dieseldog]

That's UK gallons, amigo, which translates to the figure mentioned in the first post of the thread.

 

[rolliges]

Damn Imperialists!

 

[Stone]

Not here yet probably because US diesel can't run the thing. We need better fuel here first. Heard the same thing about Toyota's D4D...

 

[Red Herring]

Why are you surprised? There is a whole world of vehicles out there that get stellar milage. Many the same as you would buy at home, just powered differently. The rest of the world gets high efficiency turbo diesel powered vehicles, but the market here sells us a culture of Hummers, Escalades, and those stupid ass useless vehicles like Avalanche. Gas is still way too cheap in the US to change anything, and there is no money to be made yet by offering fuel efficient vehicles. The big three, oil companies, Bushies, they all want demand for oil to increase, not fall. There is no real effort by the big three to produce more efficient vehicles domestically. But... yet they sell the same s*** overseas with engine options we don't get.

Bend over and take it like a patriot. You'll still be zipping to 60 in under 8 seconds in your 6000 pound 14 MPG mall missle for the forseable future. We all will.

Ask most kids... whats the coolest car? HUMMER. I think the 76 mpg Honda is probably way down the list.

 

[Atticus]

Why are you surprised? There is a whole world of vehicles out there that get stellar milage. Many the same as you would buy at home, just powered differently. The rest of the world gets high efficiency turbo diesel powered vehicles, but the market here sells us a culture of Hummers, Escalades, and those stupid ass useless vehicles like Avalanche. Gas is still way too cheap in the US to change anything, and there is no money to be made yet by offering fuel efficient vehicles. The big three, oil companies, Bushies, they all want demand for oil to increase, not fall. There is no real effort by the big three to produce more efficient vehicles domestically. But... yet they sell the same s*** overseas with engine options we don't get.

Bend over and take it like a patriot. You'll still be zipping to 60 in under 8 seconds in your 6000 pound 14 MPG mall missle for the forseable future. We all will.

Ask most kids... whats the coolest car? HUMMER. I think the 76 mpg Honda is probably way down the list.

Can you get this car in Canada? If so, then thanks for the diatribe, but it's not really your problem. If not, then are you saying that Bush is controlling your country as well? I'm confused.

 

[swank60]

Not here yet probably because US diesel can't run the thing. We need better fuel here first. Heard the same thing about Toyota's D4D...

But there's a big up-roar in Africa somewhere and there's about to be a shortage in the "good" oil that's used in low-sulfur fuels.

I think globalization is about as good an idea as Communism. Looks good on paper but doens't work when you start putting people's egos in to the equation.

( for you pro-globalization zealots)

 

[Mars]

"Amongst the speed records set, which were all achieved in Production Car Class B (2000 – 2500 cc), were 133.04 mph (1 mile flying start), 84.25 mph (1 mile standing start) and an average speed of 130.38 mph over a 24-hour endurance period."

---Averaging over 130mph for 24 hours??? Pretty solid if you ask me.

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

Yo Swankster, man that avatar of yours is just not right!!!

 

[Red Herring]

Can you get this car in Canada? If so, then thanks for the diatribe, but it's not really your problem. If not, then are you saying that Bush is controlling your country as well? I'm confused.

No, we don't get that car here. Case of Monkey see, monkey do. Our markets parallel yours. And, its everyones problem. As for Bush, he's no visionary by any means. Does he profit off the oil industry? Answer that for yourself, I don't really know, but I suspect he has alot of friends who do. I am as much part of the problem as the next guy, all I am saying is that it would be nice to have some engine choice, and to see some real money going into alternative fueling. I think there is a real problem in society that promotes Gas Guzzlers as an ideal.

 

[semlin]

hmm, add north american emission controls, heavier safety equipment and heavier plush interiors and a north american first gear and I wonder what the mileage and acceleration would be?

many existing north american models get far better performance with smaller gas engines in europe right now.

european vehicles have gotten crazy mileage for years but they also have tinfoil bumpers, lightweight seats, and less emission control. Put thousands of euro spec diesel vehicles on the highways in LA and I wonder what happens to smog levels?

 

[semlin]

I don't know about contemporary emission standards but historically europe has always lagged behind north america as a deliberate policy on emissions. The us sets a standard, auto makers meet it, then a few years later europe requires it. Plus they have backed diesel in a big way which the reason your white t-shirt will be filthy dirty after a day walking around a european city. I can recall looking under the hood of a european golf a few yearsd ago the engine compartment was half empty. I also recall a diesel opel rental car a few years back that produced exhaust that made me choke if I tried to load the trunk with the engine running. leaded fuel was still available in europe in the late 80s.

europeans do keep some kind of a lid on auto pollution by making vehicles and fuel very expensive through punitive taxes, and by providing extensive public transit in cities. In london they charge a large fee to enter a huge area of the city centre in a car.

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

Europe as far as I know generally has very strict emissions regulations including including for even greenhouse gas which we have no regulations for... The might have 'less emissions equipment' but that may be certain models and there are probably other reasons that allow for this. For example, fuel quality standards in Europe are also much stricter. This is one of the big reasons turbo diesel models are not widely available, because American diesel fuel is poor quality particularly when it comes to emissions. This was directly confirmed to me by one of the top engineers for Volkswagen at the National Biodiesel Board Conference earlier this month. Some of the American diesel fuel is actually being leaned up with legislation that takes place June '06 and we could see some newe models. It is also confirmed that a Tundra diesel will be available for '08 in the new body style of course. Honda particularly has been very reluctanct about bringing diesels over however. They said about 6 months ago that they had no intentions to bring any diesel models over. BMW also said the same thing, that the fuel quality was too poor and they they "are not convinced America is ready for diesel." However, VW at one point offered every model in a diesel version. There are also a few diesel Audis coming out including their new SUV with two different diesel engine options including the return of their V10.

 

[NorCalDoug]

Yo Swankster, man that avatar of yours is just not right!!!

It's because he has no moral center.

 

[Atticus]

No, we don't get that car here. Case of Monkey see, monkey do. Our markets parallel yours. And, its everyones problem. As for Bush, he's no visionary by any means. Does he profit off the oil industry? Answer that for yourself, I don't really know, but I suspect he has alot of friends who do. I am as much part of the problem as the next guy, all I am saying is that it would be nice to have some engine choice, and to see some real money going into alternative fueling. I think there is a real problem in society that promotes Gas Guzzlers as an ideal.

Who said Bush is a "visionary"? Not I. My question to you is "why does your market parallel ours?" Instead of being angry with Bush (not that there aren't plenty of reasons to be angry), why don't you concentrate on changing Canada's market to allow these higher-efficiency cars? It seems to me that you should be focusing your frustration there.

I also wish we had more engine choices, and that we could have a free(er) market to decide what is offered. At the same time, I'm more concerned about cost of operation than I am pollution issues, so if it is roughly comparable to run a vehicle in the U.S. on our cheaper gas even though the efficiency is lower as it is to run a higher efficiency car on more expensive fuel, then I'm happy with the status quo. If alternative fueling is significantly cheaper, then I'm all for that too.

As for the "ideal", I drive my cruiser because it gets me where I want to go (which isn't always at the end of a paved road). Reliably, safely and at a tolerable cost. Societies have always suffered from conspicuous consumption. Governments used to tax luxuries heavily so that the lower classes would not become disgruntled. Buck the trend and drive a moped.

But I agree generally that I would like more engine choices. I would also like my cruiser to run on water and go 300 miles an hour.

 

[Jan-78FJ40]

I don't know about contemporary emission standards but historically europe has always lagged behind north america as a deliberate policy on emissions. The us sets a standard, auto makers meet it, then a few years later europe requires it. Plus they have backed diesel in a big way which the reason your white t-shirt will be filthy dirty after a day walking around a european city. I can recall looking under the hood of a european golf a few yearsd ago the engine compartment was half empty. I also recall a diesel opel rental car a few years back that produced exhaust that made me choke if I tried to load the trunk with the engine running. leaded fuel was still available in europe in the late 80s.

europeans do keep some kind of a lid on auto pollution by making vehicles and fuel very expensive through punitive taxes, and by providing extensive public transit in cities. In london they charge a large fee to enter a huge area of the city centre in a car.

some things are not correct in that post.
as dieselcruiserhead pointed out, europe has extremely strict emmission standards. In no way do they lag behind north america at this time, on the contrary.
engines are much smaller, and the opel you rented was likely a wreck. actually, these days the emission test includes a white napkin over the tail pipe, and it is not supposed to be blackened.
I also wonder which city you were in-I can think of not a single one that is even remortely as polluted as LA, NY, Baltimore, Philadelphia, DC, you name it.
cars are smaller, more efficient, public transport is available, car sharing is standard, and people actually walk or bike if the distance is not too big, regular gas contains ethanol, and diesel is mandatory B20.
It is not a secret that a european burns 4 times less fuel on average than an american-how is that going to lead to increased pollution?