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landtank said:Also sold classified milling technology to the Russians which allowed them to make silent running rotors and park a sub out in NY harbor
Something tells me there's a true story behind this little tidbit you've dropped on us. Might be old news, but not to me.
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Neowulf,
Does your 80 come with a 24 volt starter ? I hear they're good for deisels in cold climates.
Kalawang
Does your 80 come with a 24 volt starter ? I hear they're good for deisels in cold climates.
Kalawang
Hmmm.......Im wondering how come theres no LC80 Diesel available in US? 
EnDLeSS said:Hmmm.......Im wondering how come theres no LC80 Diesel available in US?
Hi,
Not to be saying or implying anything, but I'm wondering why you would want a deisel in the first place.
By my experience, a deisel, not turbo, needs about 30% more displacement than a gas engine just to approximate the pick up of the gas engine. I hear it's more difficult to start in cold weather and I'm certain if you get water into the intakes you're looking at an overhaul or something pretty close. Also, if you run your tank dry, you have a lot of pumping on the fuel pump and a lot of cranking before getting it started again.
I drive a deisel, but I have a preference for it because the fuel costs me about 20% less than gasoline.
Why do I see variations of your above quoted statement so often on this board from different people ? It's seems to me you should be very comfortable with gasoline engines.
Kalawang
cool pix's,
what's with the blue vibrator knob??
what's with the blue vibrator knob??
Kalawang said:
The HDJ80 1HD-T and HDJ80 1HD-FT UK spec has 24V starting.
The grass is greener on the other side.
I love diesels... in trucks, they blow in cars. At least if you are used to high RPM rice rockets. The 1FZ-FE Petrol 4.5 liter I-6 does not get enough credit. It has similar numbers to the American V-8's and much better gas mileage. I get better gas mileage than a Durango and I spin 4 wheels all the time.
Gassers are quiter, smoother, close to the same power if not turboed. When it's cold the fuel does not turn to gel and they are less suseptable to water in the fuel.
But having peak torque at <1800 RPM, getting 20% better gas mileage, and not having an ignition system is nice.
I love diesels... in trucks, they blow in cars. At least if you are used to high RPM rice rockets. The 1FZ-FE Petrol 4.5 liter I-6 does not get enough credit. It has similar numbers to the American V-8's and much better gas mileage. I get better gas mileage than a Durango and I spin 4 wheels all the time.
Gassers are quiter, smoother, close to the same power if not turboed. When it's cold the fuel does not turn to gel and they are less suseptable to water in the fuel.
But having peak torque at <1800 RPM, getting 20% better gas mileage, and not having an ignition system is nice.
aamiggia said:
Hi I am not sure of the spec of the US 4.5 petrol but in my experience the 4.2TD is a far superior bit of kit to the 4.5 petrol sold here and I have driven both. While they have very similar performance on paper the TD achieves this with much less fuss and far better MPG because of superior efficiency. The TD does not have to be screamed to achieve good acceleration. The TD is better suited to off road work than the petrol because of the large amount of torque available at low engine speed and is just as capable on it but with less fuss. I have driven both and my impressions of the petrol were that it was very smooth but a bit gutless, in comparison; the TD is very nearly as smooth but very gusty. The 4.2 TD is not only smooth but quiet and does not sound at all like diesels of the past in fact even though it is a Direct Injection unit it would fool most people as to what fuel it uses. Another advantage of the TD is that it tends to be more reliable and less susceptible to damp conditions and does not stall due to water splashing into the engine bay while wading. As far as choice the 4.5 is cheeper used age for age milage for milage than the 4.2 TD but most here would choose the TD even though a LPG converted petrol would be cheeper to run, in a nut shell the 4.2 TD is one of the best engines found in a 4x4. 
Welcome to the Matrix Neo! Now take the blue pill or the red pill!
Can you show us a picture of that sub tank fuel gauge please. Is it mounted on overhead console?
A diesel engine is inheriently a more efficient, more durable motor - there is no arguing with that in my opinion.
About 6 years ago, I drove cross country by myself in a 4x4 Ford Ranger (major mistake). Before I left, I went through every nut, bolt and screw on this truck to make sure it was capable of making the trip. Everything I could measure was within spec.
In the desert of Southern Utah (I believe it was about 60 miles from a town called Hanksville) the truck just quit - DEAD. The Ignition Coil burned up. If it were not for the help of a complete stranger who picked me up as I hitchiked along the road, I would have died. No way I would have been able to walk 60 miles in the schorching heat. I had never driven cross country and never been to Utah. I had NO IDEA how massive the desert was and how hot it could get there in July.:
The second major mistake I made was I paid a guy with a tow truck (some guy named Hunt) to go get my truck and "hopefully" fix it. Well, 3 mechanics, 3 coils and about 150 miles of towing expense later, the Ford Dealership in St. George Utah was finally able to figure out that the stator was bad and it kept causing the coils to burn up.
There are several morals to this story. One is NEVER own anything with the letters FORD on it.
Second, there is no way to accurately predict when an electrical component is going to break. It is like looking at a light bulb and being able to predict when it will burn out - not easy to do.
A diesel engine does not rely on a coil, a distributor, wires, spark plugs, or a stator or any electrical device to make it work. Have compression - will run. End of story. And I can test compression. I can also test mechanical parts to determine if they are in spec or not. I can't do this for electrical components.
Reliance on an electrical system for an engine to run is a MAJOR weakness in my opinion.
Also, a gas engine can only run on gas - period. A diesel engine can burn diesel, heating oil, kerosene, canola oil, peanut oil, olive oil, even drain oil. Yes I have seen diesel engines run on dirty cranckase oil.
About 6 years ago, I drove cross country by myself in a 4x4 Ford Ranger (major mistake). Before I left, I went through every nut, bolt and screw on this truck to make sure it was capable of making the trip. Everything I could measure was within spec.
In the desert of Southern Utah (I believe it was about 60 miles from a town called Hanksville) the truck just quit - DEAD. The Ignition Coil burned up. If it were not for the help of a complete stranger who picked me up as I hitchiked along the road, I would have died. No way I would have been able to walk 60 miles in the schorching heat. I had never driven cross country and never been to Utah. I had NO IDEA how massive the desert was and how hot it could get there in July.
:The second major mistake I made was I paid a guy with a tow truck (some guy named Hunt) to go get my truck and "hopefully" fix it. Well, 3 mechanics, 3 coils and about 150 miles of towing expense later, the Ford Dealership in St. George Utah was finally able to figure out that the stator was bad and it kept causing the coils to burn up.
There are several morals to this story. One is NEVER own anything with the letters FORD on it.
Second, there is no way to accurately predict when an electrical component is going to break. It is like looking at a light bulb and being able to predict when it will burn out - not easy to do.
A diesel engine does not rely on a coil, a distributor, wires, spark plugs, or a stator or any electrical device to make it work. Have compression - will run. End of story. And I can test compression. I can also test mechanical parts to determine if they are in spec or not. I can't do this for electrical components.
Reliance on an electrical system for an engine to run is a MAJOR weakness in my opinion.
Also, a gas engine can only run on gas - period. A diesel engine can burn diesel, heating oil, kerosene, canola oil, peanut oil, olive oil, even drain oil. Yes I have seen diesel engines run on dirty cranckase oil.
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MoJ,
I have a 20% cost advantage at the pump. Kms/liter are only slightly advantageous, and I never had the chance to make a good comparison because deisel is very popular for the LC80 in my part of the world.
97Landbruiser,
Back in the late '50's I traveled in a Ford Fairlane from Chicago to L.A. and had absolutely no problems. Back then at least, Ford made very reliable and affordable cars. We arrived in L.A. with nothing more than travel dust and dirt.
I didn't mean to sidetrack this discussion. I think Deisel engines are legitimate alternatives to the gas engine, but where suitable. My understanding is that deisel is not as easy to find in the gas stations in the USA, and costs at least as much. That is a big minus by my viewpoint. Worse is England where I hear Deisel costs more because of taxes.
I also see by this board that Deisel engines are not often seen there. That would mean that finding competent mechanics and parts would be difficult. I know Drexx drives a deisel LC80 in Ca., but that guy knows and understands deisel and has many more opportunities to aquire needed parts than either of us or both of us combined. It's such a pain when you know what you need but can't find it.
I think the situation in the USA points at Gas engines and it's a rough life when you go against the tide. I like my Deisel, but in the USA, if all I've heard is true, I'd use a gas engine.
Kalawang
I have a 20% cost advantage at the pump. Kms/liter are only slightly advantageous, and I never had the chance to make a good comparison because deisel is very popular for the LC80 in my part of the world.
97Landbruiser,
Back in the late '50's I traveled in a Ford Fairlane from Chicago to L.A. and had absolutely no problems. Back then at least, Ford made very reliable and affordable cars. We arrived in L.A. with nothing more than travel dust and dirt.
I didn't mean to sidetrack this discussion. I think Deisel engines are legitimate alternatives to the gas engine, but where suitable. My understanding is that deisel is not as easy to find in the gas stations in the USA, and costs at least as much. That is a big minus by my viewpoint. Worse is England where I hear Deisel costs more because of taxes.
I also see by this board that Deisel engines are not often seen there. That would mean that finding competent mechanics and parts would be difficult. I know Drexx drives a deisel LC80 in Ca., but that guy knows and understands deisel and has many more opportunities to aquire needed parts than either of us or both of us combined. It's such a pain when you know what you need but can't find it.
I think the situation in the USA points at Gas engines and it's a rough life when you go against the tide. I like my Deisel, but in the USA, if all I've heard is true, I'd use a gas engine.
Kalawang
Kalawang said:
