There's a great 4x4 shop here in Mishima called "Joint". Hagiwara-san and his staff are really nice people, very knowledgeable and love all things 4x4.
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Kanpai Chris! Sorry it took me so long to respond. Damn work keeps gettin in the way of my free time! I'm in western Shizuoka not far from Hamamatsu in the middle of green tea country. My wife and I just bought a house so we're probably staying for awhile so I decided to get a Lancru to make sure that I can escape when the Tokai earthquake strikes! It's really surprising to me that in a country so rugged and mountainous, so few people take advantage of their own vehicles to enjoy it! You can't buy a Pathfinder, Xterra, or Safari from NISSAN, an FJ Cruiser from Toyota, or any of the awesome 4-wheel ATVs built by Honda, Kawasaki, and the likes because there isn't a market for them here. Weird. Thank God for Landcruisers! I'd love to meet up sometime with you and any other gaijin offroad/outdoor enthusiasts out there. Summer's almost here and I need to retreat to higher altitudes!
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p.s. Mishima's not too far from me so I'll definately keep that in mind when I get ready to upgrade. BTW, as luck would have it I too was bitten by the "overheat and crack the head" bug and my vehicle is currently at the dealer getting a new motor! Thanks to all the knowledgeable posters on here I was able to cover my arse and get it completely covered by warranty. I am also getting a new rad and water pump. CHEERS!
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p.s. Mishima's not too far from me so I'll definately keep that in mind when I get ready to upgrade. BTW, as luck would have it I too was bitten by the "overheat and crack the head" bug and my vehicle is currently at the dealer getting a new motor! Thanks to all the knowledgeable posters on here I was able to cover my arse and get it completely covered by warranty. I am also getting a new rad and water pump. CHEERS!
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Have you had much luck finding anything of real use at those Home Depot type stores? If you're in the market for a laundry rack or a weedeater with a circular saw blade you're in heaven! Beyond that it's hit or miss.
In a lot of ways they have more useful things than DIY shops back in USA. Hoverer, To have yet to find a push broom or a decent axe in one.
You've gotta be a royal noob in this country, no offense there. You named like the crappiest 4wds ever offered....and really only offered in the US. The Xtera? ome on...try the Pajero 2800. I loved my...it was a lot more user friendly than my LC, but nowhere near the capabilities. The super select is an awesome feature and with the optional factory locker...it was a pretty nice ride. No US offred car came from the factory with lockers. The Mitsubishi Lr300 pickup is another fun one or the Nissan/Datsun 4 door pickup of the same class. Theres the diesel safari also, but I don't like the look or feel of those. Then of course the FJ40 series tht you you can pick up here cheap...and often come with cable lockers. You breing up the FJ Cruiser? Its a soccer mom car...not even a good one at that..in my opinion. Then again...I feel the 70s were the last real cruisers made. You can get some ATVs, but they aren't popular due to the need to store it and a trailer...which also requires the shaken and taxes (what there is to test biannually on a non-braked light duty trailer...I have no idea). If anything, this country has probably the most diverse 4wd and diesel vehicles in teh world...outside maybe Australia area.
You've gotta be a royal noob in this country, no offense there. You named like the crappiest 4wds ever offered....and really only offered in the US. The Xtera? ome on...try the Pajero 2800. I loved my...it was a lot more user friendly than my LC, but nowhere near the capabilities. The super select is an awesome feature and with the optional factory locker...it was a pretty nice ride. No US offred car came from the factory with lockers. The Mitsubishi Lr300 pickup is another fun one or the Nissan/Datsun 4 door pickup of the same class. Theres the diesel safari also, but I don't like the look or feel of those. Then of course the FJ40 series tht you you can pick up here cheap...and often come with cable lockers. You breing up the FJ Cruiser? Its a soccer mom car...not even a good one at that..in my opinion. Then again...I feel the 70s were the last real cruisers made. You can get some ATVs, but they aren't popular due to the need to store it and a trailer...which also requires the shaken and taxes (what there is to test biannually on a non-braked light duty trailer...I have no idea). If anything, this country has probably the most diverse 4wd and diesel vehicles in teh world...outside maybe Australia area.
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Royal noob...wow...you got me pegged...and after only a few sentences. Of course no offense taken. If I thought you were actually knowledgeable I might be concerned. 
Let me try to explain myself better. First of all, I never mentioned anything about the quality of the vehicles that I listed, but thank you for your intelligent, albeit subjective, opinion. My point was simply that almost all of the vehicles produced by Japanese automotive companies for off-road or even "sport utility" use are done so for overseas markets. This isn't my opinion, it's a fact. The closest JDM off-road vehicle NISSAN produces is the X-Trail, which is truly a "crappy" 4wd, to use your term. And I know the reason for this is there is little or no market for them, not because I think so, but because I have worked at NISSAN's Technical Center for the past 18 months and I have had NUMEROUS conversations with engineers, R&D, Product Planners, and more, about this situation. If the market for 4wd off-road vehicles is so "diverse" here, please list a few of the obviously many robust product lines for '08. You're welcome to use the Suzuki Jimmy and the Pajero Mini if it will help lengthen and diversify the list. As far as ATVs, none of the major manufacturers produce any quantities of them for the domestic market. Sure you can get one, just like you can get an FJ Cruiser (if you've got 5 million yen), but as you admitted, nobody's that interested, although I think it has very little to do with having to store it. If you believe that everyone in Japan is living in a capsule hotel with barely enough room to breathe, then it sounds like you may be the noob. I own a very modest home on about a tenth of an acre and I've got plenty of room for at least 3 vehicles and an ATV (when I find one!). It's all about priorities, and the simple fact is that ours are different than the majority of theirs. MAJORITY, not ALL. My new acquaintance Dave on here has plugged me into a very avid and hardcore 4WD scene here and I look forward to meeting a lot of off-road and outdoor enthusiasts. To be honest, I'm not a "monster" truck fan. To me that's not all that different than the "Fast and Furious" tuners that just want attention. I enjoy getting off the pavement and going unnoticed for awhile. To each his own.
One last thing, I said this really isn't a DIY country yet, not that they don't have DIY stores. Serious do-it-yourself home improvements require materials and selections that you aren't going to find in Jumbo Encho, or Home Depot for that matter. Let me know when you find that pushbroom though...I need one too!
Let me try to explain myself better. First of all, I never mentioned anything about the quality of the vehicles that I listed, but thank you for your intelligent, albeit subjective, opinion. My point was simply that almost all of the vehicles produced by Japanese automotive companies for off-road or even "sport utility" use are done so for overseas markets. This isn't my opinion, it's a fact. The closest JDM off-road vehicle NISSAN produces is the X-Trail, which is truly a "crappy" 4wd, to use your term. And I know the reason for this is there is little or no market for them, not because I think so, but because I have worked at NISSAN's Technical Center for the past 18 months and I have had NUMEROUS conversations with engineers, R&D, Product Planners, and more, about this situation. If the market for 4wd off-road vehicles is so "diverse" here, please list a few of the obviously many robust product lines for '08. You're welcome to use the Suzuki Jimmy and the Pajero Mini if it will help lengthen and diversify the list. As far as ATVs, none of the major manufacturers produce any quantities of them for the domestic market. Sure you can get one, just like you can get an FJ Cruiser (if you've got 5 million yen), but as you admitted, nobody's that interested, although I think it has very little to do with having to store it. If you believe that everyone in Japan is living in a capsule hotel with barely enough room to breathe, then it sounds like you may be the noob. I own a very modest home on about a tenth of an acre and I've got plenty of room for at least 3 vehicles and an ATV (when I find one!). It's all about priorities, and the simple fact is that ours are different than the majority of theirs. MAJORITY, not ALL. My new acquaintance Dave on here has plugged me into a very avid and hardcore 4WD scene here and I look forward to meeting a lot of off-road and outdoor enthusiasts. To be honest, I'm not a "monster" truck fan. To me that's not all that different than the "Fast and Furious" tuners that just want attention. I enjoy getting off the pavement and going unnoticed for awhile. To each his own.
One last thing, I said this really isn't a DIY country yet, not that they don't have DIY stores. Serious do-it-yourself home improvements require materials and selections that you aren't going to find in Jumbo Encho, or Home Depot for that matter. Let me know when you find that pushbroom though...I need one too!
Relax guy.
I live in a log home on a half acre in the Shikoku mountains.
look at types of the property in Japan, its usually around 50 tsubo and 40 of it is used buy a house. Its the same reason the place isn't nuts for speed boats and waverunners. They are expensive, a luxury, require space, require maintanance, licensing, haulers, and cars to haul them. These people just don't have that sort of thing.
As to JDM 4x4. Seriously, what are you comparing to? The Bronco? The H1? The Suburban? Japan offerd the Mitsubishi Jeep, all steel turbo diesel up until the 90s, the Pajero full size series (SWB included), the Lr300, Datsun 4 door, All the ladn cruisers. Guy in case you didn't notice factory capable offroad vehicles in the US and lagely Canada ceased production around 1995, when the last "OJ Style" Bronco was made. Since they they are merely over power rebodied station wagons. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Orange County..I live there for 19 years. Comparing what is coming out now is completely unfair...markets and fuel costs alone dictate what comes out next. Notice you don't see many F350s rolling around Japan. Did yuo also know the government here banned diesels in many of the Major cities like Tokyo, Nagoya, and Osaka? Compare it year for year US vs Japan and give me a few instances where the US produced factory TRULY offroad ready cars. How about when Jeep whent from big thick axles to little twigs...huh...during that time Mitsubishi was still stamping 1950 style flat fender jeeps with diesel engines, floating axles, with PTO winches..factory. My BJ73 is largely factory or factory options with the exception of some suspension and things....I guarantee it can outwheel my families 1995 Bronco. Most car makers in the US are concerned with cushy rides and big cubic inches. The Japanese have to drive on tiny streets with very expensive gasoline. Thus they start chasing mini hybrid cars. Thats the situation with the current JP market. The only non-Japanese company to produce some serious factory rides was LandRover.
I live in a log home on a half acre in the Shikoku mountains.
look at types of the property in Japan, its usually around 50 tsubo and 40 of it is used buy a house. Its the same reason the place isn't nuts for speed boats and waverunners. They are expensive, a luxury, require space, require maintanance, licensing, haulers, and cars to haul them. These people just don't have that sort of thing.
As to JDM 4x4. Seriously, what are you comparing to? The Bronco? The H1? The Suburban? Japan offerd the Mitsubishi Jeep, all steel turbo diesel up until the 90s, the Pajero full size series (SWB included), the Lr300, Datsun 4 door, All the ladn cruisers. Guy in case you didn't notice factory capable offroad vehicles in the US and lagely Canada ceased production around 1995, when the last "OJ Style" Bronco was made. Since they they are merely over power rebodied station wagons. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Orange County..I live there for 19 years. Comparing what is coming out now is completely unfair...markets and fuel costs alone dictate what comes out next. Notice you don't see many F350s rolling around Japan. Did yuo also know the government here banned diesels in many of the Major cities like Tokyo, Nagoya, and Osaka? Compare it year for year US vs Japan and give me a few instances where the US produced factory TRULY offroad ready cars. How about when Jeep whent from big thick axles to little twigs...huh...during that time Mitsubishi was still stamping 1950 style flat fender jeeps with diesel engines, floating axles, with PTO winches..factory. My BJ73 is largely factory or factory options with the exception of some suspension and things....I guarantee it can outwheel my families 1995 Bronco. Most car makers in the US are concerned with cushy rides and big cubic inches. The Japanese have to drive on tiny streets with very expensive gasoline. Thus they start chasing mini hybrid cars. Thats the situation with the current JP market. The only non-Japanese company to produce some serious factory rides was LandRover.
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And those are just the ones I can remember off hand, theres a few other. I also left off all the mini trucks with real 4wd and locking differentials...stock.
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And those are just the ones I can remember off hand, theres a few other. I also left off all the mini trucks with real 4wd and locking differentials...stock.
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"Compare it year for year US vs Japan and give me a few instances where the US produced factory TRULY offroad ready cars."
Our definition of "off-road" is obviously much different so I don't want to get into a pointless argument about that, but I would say that nearly every automaker, both foreign and domestic produces at least 3 durable, "off-road" capable 4WD vehicles in the U.S. market. They may not meet your needs or qualifications, and many of them have serious flaws that would negate them for serious enthusiasts, but the fact is that they were designed and marketed for that purpose. Just a very few of the '08s in no particular order:
Chevrolet - Silverado, Colorado, Tahoe
Ford - F150, Super Duty, Excursion
Dodge - Ram Trucks
NISSAN - Titan, Pathfinder, Xterra (Built with stout body-on-frame construction and functional four-wheel drive, the Xterra continues to be a steady seller among those who use their SUV for outdoor recreation as well as those who want to give off that impression. Compared to its car-based SUV competition, the Nissan Xterra's on-pavement performance is not as comfy or refined, but if serious off-roading is part of your routine then we'd recommend it as one of the better new or used sport-utilities on the market.) Edmunds
Toyota - Tundra, Tacoma, 4Runner, LandCruiser, and FJ Cruiser (Not your soccer mom's SUV: The FJ Cruiser may not be as popular with suburban moms as SUVs were in the days of sub-$2-a-gallon gasoline. Throw in a nearly inaccessible rear seat, even when utilizing the small reverse-opening rear doors, and you have a rather inhospitable vehicle for soccer practice drop-offs or local mall runs. Yet Toyota isn't worried, as the automaker is sincere when it says the vehicle is designed for young single males who can appreciate the FJ's extreme off-road capabilities. Beyond the two-speed transfer case, available locking differential and 17-inch wheels wearing 32-inch tires, all 4x4 models offer 9.6 inches of ground clearance, 34-degree approach and 30-degree departure angles and a 27.4-degree break-over angle. Skid plates for the engine, transfer case and fuel tank, along with 8 and 9 inches of front and rear suspension travel, respectively, would certainly go to waste on Rodeo Drive) Edmunds
JEEP
HUMMER
LAND ROVER
etc...
All produced in the U.S., for the North American market and only available for import in Japan with the exception of the LandCruiser.
Again, I don't want to get into a pissing contest about who knows more about trucks. I'll give you that title hands down and if I needed advice I would certainly respect yours. I don't think we actually differ on our points, in fact you actually have backed mine up. I agree 100% about the fact that going off-road, whether it be by truck, SUV, ATV, or boat, is a hobby that costs a lot of money, especially here in Japan. But it's a hobby that costs a lot of money in any country and you need the same accessories i.e. trailer, storage, etc... I'm just saying that the culture is different here and a lot of people would rather spend their free time sleeping or at the Pachinko Parlor. Like I said before, to each his own.
Our definition of "off-road" is obviously much different so I don't want to get into a pointless argument about that, but I would say that nearly every automaker, both foreign and domestic produces at least 3 durable, "off-road" capable 4WD vehicles in the U.S. market. They may not meet your needs or qualifications, and many of them have serious flaws that would negate them for serious enthusiasts, but the fact is that they were designed and marketed for that purpose. Just a very few of the '08s in no particular order:
Chevrolet - Silverado, Colorado, Tahoe
Ford - F150, Super Duty, Excursion
Dodge - Ram Trucks
NISSAN - Titan, Pathfinder, Xterra (Built with stout body-on-frame construction and functional four-wheel drive, the Xterra continues to be a steady seller among those who use their SUV for outdoor recreation as well as those who want to give off that impression. Compared to its car-based SUV competition, the Nissan Xterra's on-pavement performance is not as comfy or refined, but if serious off-roading is part of your routine then we'd recommend it as one of the better new or used sport-utilities on the market.) Edmunds
Toyota - Tundra, Tacoma, 4Runner, LandCruiser, and FJ Cruiser (Not your soccer mom's SUV: The FJ Cruiser may not be as popular with suburban moms as SUVs were in the days of sub-$2-a-gallon gasoline. Throw in a nearly inaccessible rear seat, even when utilizing the small reverse-opening rear doors, and you have a rather inhospitable vehicle for soccer practice drop-offs or local mall runs. Yet Toyota isn't worried, as the automaker is sincere when it says the vehicle is designed for young single males who can appreciate the FJ's extreme off-road capabilities. Beyond the two-speed transfer case, available locking differential and 17-inch wheels wearing 32-inch tires, all 4x4 models offer 9.6 inches of ground clearance, 34-degree approach and 30-degree departure angles and a 27.4-degree break-over angle. Skid plates for the engine, transfer case and fuel tank, along with 8 and 9 inches of front and rear suspension travel, respectively, would certainly go to waste on Rodeo Drive) Edmunds
JEEP
HUMMER
LAND ROVER
etc...
All produced in the U.S., for the North American market and only available for import in Japan with the exception of the LandCruiser.
Again, I don't want to get into a pissing contest about who knows more about trucks. I'll give you that title hands down and if I needed advice I would certainly respect yours. I don't think we actually differ on our points, in fact you actually have backed mine up. I agree 100% about the fact that going off-road, whether it be by truck, SUV, ATV, or boat, is a hobby that costs a lot of money, especially here in Japan. But it's a hobby that costs a lot of money in any country and you need the same accessories i.e. trailer, storage, etc... I'm just saying that the culture is different here and a lot of people would rather spend their free time sleeping or at the Pachinko Parlor. Like I said before, to each his own.
Yes, our ideas of offroad vehicles are very different. None of those come off the lines with the capabilities of any of the vehicles I posted. Personally, ALL of those are too big for offroading...ESPECIALLY in JP. I rolled an SWB Pajero into a river going up a narrow road...and those aren't very big. The IDEAL offroad vehicle in this country is the Pajero SWB, Jeep, Jimny, LC 70 or 73...nothing bigger. I've been into some very scary mountain places following old logging and mining roads. Places where if you lose it, you will roll 500 feet to the bottom.
just snatched a 2 ton forklift out of a bind for a friend. Took both lockers, 4wd, low range, and a hi lift...but got it out. Trickiest part was not tipping it over. Drove over a 3 deep log pile like it was nothing during the pull.
American factory wheelers in action....
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Notice the two NON-factory models make it. Many of the upgrades these people do to AMERICAN cars...came standard on JDM trucks.
I hate to keep beaten the horse here...but I'm trying to impress upon you how lucky you are with the available vehicle choices and options you have available to you.
Do you really think the Suburban would outsell an HjZ75 with 5 speed manual and full electric lockers in the US? Same car clas...but the JDM has TONS more potential in it than the soccer mommy suburban. Theres a reason you don't see many US cars making the cross continent excursions and things. They can't hack it and can't be repaired in the backwater countries.
just snatched a 2 ton forklift out of a bind for a friend. Took both lockers, 4wd, low range, and a hi lift...but got it out. Trickiest part was not tipping it over. Drove over a 3 deep log pile like it was nothing during the pull.
American factory wheelers in action....
YouTube - Hummers Suck
Notice the two NON-factory models make it. Many of the upgrades these people do to AMERICAN cars...came standard on JDM trucks.
I hate to keep beaten the horse here...but I'm trying to impress upon you how lucky you are with the available vehicle choices and options you have available to you.
Do you really think the Suburban would outsell an HjZ75 with 5 speed manual and full electric lockers in the US? Same car clas...but the JDM has TONS more potential in it than the soccer mommy suburban. Theres a reason you don't see many US cars making the cross continent excursions and things. They can't hack it and can't be repaired in the backwater countries.
Another thought...
The JP companies not only make ONE offroad capable truck in a model year, the make a gradient of them. Take the LCs. In 2006 you can go all the way from the hardcore 70s all the way down to the "commuter level" Hilux and Surf. This is the equivalent of Ford carrying everything from a Hummer (h1) to a Subaru Forester. Toyota made a flavor of diesel 4wd to fit everyones taste...from occassional trips to the river to people who really use their trucks for serious work or wheeling Then you have the Prado, the middle of the road, cushy enough for a daily commute, but still a very capable vehicle. It will be a sad day when I go back to the states...if I go back...and have to give up my 74. Maybe California will get their heads out of their asses by then...probably not...they hadn't in the 20 years I lived there...
The JP companies not only make ONE offroad capable truck in a model year, the make a gradient of them. Take the LCs. In 2006 you can go all the way from the hardcore 70s all the way down to the "commuter level" Hilux and Surf. This is the equivalent of Ford carrying everything from a Hummer (h1) to a Subaru Forester. Toyota made a flavor of diesel 4wd to fit everyones taste...from occassional trips to the river to people who really use their trucks for serious work or wheeling Then you have the Prado, the middle of the road, cushy enough for a daily commute, but still a very capable vehicle. It will be a sad day when I go back to the states...if I go back...and have to give up my 74. Maybe California will get their heads out of their asses by then...probably not...they hadn't in the 20 years I lived there...
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Now that was a good laugh! Like I said before, I think we're actually in agreement, and believe me, I do know how lucky I am. $8k for an LJ78 with 70,000km in perfect condition, compared to unavailable in the U.S. and $15-20K in Canada. That's a big reason why it took me until now to own my first. Btw, I recently took one of those logging roads myself and it scared the bejeesus out of me. Better than an amusement park any day!
the last REAL off road vehicle that North America made was the bob-tailed bronco... anything since has been crap.
i owned those Mits diesel jeeps (4 of them) and they are WICKEDLY fun, economical and capable. i will be getting another in a couple years. i want the J55...drool.
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i owned those Mits diesel jeeps (4 of them) and they are WICKEDLY fun, economical and capable. i will be getting another in a couple years. i want the J55...drool.
cheers
You sound sound like JETer. This is tech, so keep it tech or take it some where else.
Furthermore, It is hard as hell to find a FJ40 in Japan. Plus 40s were never offered with lockers.
No HZJ 75s were never offered to the Japanese market!
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JET? Nope, been here 3 years doing advertising and international marketing. Don't hang around in gaijin bars...in fact dunno where one is here.
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Prttey tough finding this guy....
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4,000usd buy it now.
And yes they did come with lockers...I've seen quite a few with cable lockers over here.
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Prttey tough finding this guy....
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4,000usd buy it now.
And yes they did come with lockers...I've seen quite a few with cable lockers over here.
Guess you wanted an actual FJ (why oh why would you pass on a diesel)...none up right now, but they're on regularly.
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says non diesel... makes it an FJ
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Hey Fellas, good thread albeit a bit heated. I had been in the market for a 4x4 since I decided my E25 Nissan Caravan camper van just wasn't "right" for traveling to Nagano every other weekend for skiing. BTW, those Nissan 3.0L diesel turbos are GREAT engines.
Anyway, I looked at every 4x4 on the market from from new LC 100's, New Prados to FJ Cruisers, Hilux Surfs, X Trails.....all the way down to the Honda Crossroad...lol. What did I settle on??
A 70 series 3L turbo Prado...transfer will be done this Friday.
I must admit those little Jimnys have piqued my curiosity though.
As for the FJ's...Every time I see one it certainly draws my attention but I must say it's pretty rare to see them. That said, my neighbor just picked one up.
Anyway, I looked at every 4x4 on the market from from new LC 100's, New Prados to FJ Cruisers, Hilux Surfs, X Trails.....all the way down to the Honda Crossroad...lol. What did I settle on??
A 70 series 3L turbo Prado...transfer will be done this Friday.
I must admit those little Jimnys have piqued my curiosity though.
As for the FJ's...Every time I see one it certainly draws my attention but I must say it's pretty rare to see them. That said, my neighbor just picked one up.
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Sweet! Glad to hear it! Just make sure you cover your ass and get a good warranty that specifically covers the head and anything related to overheating. I haven't heard about as many problems with the 3L but it would still be wise since I personally believe that part of the problem is poor maintenance and not just the motors. Then again, I'm just a royal noob so what do I know! LOL (couldn't resist!) Post a pic when you can and if you've got a number or url for JOINT please pass it on as well. Btw, NISSAN will be debuting their new "clean diesel" engine in the X-Trail in the near future although I don't know enough about it to give an educated opinion on it. Supposed to be a big step up. Still not reason enough to consider that particular vehicle though!