H vs. B motor

[Volcano cruiser]

Buy Sandcruisers rig and I'll deliver it to Texas for ya for the price of the fuel and a one way ticket to San Diego. Offer good from Jan 10 to early April.

Rick

Rick,
If this actually happens make sure to let me know when and stop by on your way up.
John

 

[SUUEEET]

That would be great. I would have to join you for and bring my surfboard thats been collecting dust since in Dallas. Thanks for all your help guys. I've also been eyeing this rig https://forum.ih8mud.com/vehicles-trailers-sale-wanted/244232-built-expedition-fj62-sale.html and although not diesel it looks like a great start to a corral of LCs

 

[SUUEEET]

If your budget dictates , a good option might be to buy a rust free southern US 60(should be pretty easy where you live), and transplant a 12ht or 1hz.

If you choose a Canadian truck be very careful. You may end up with a healthy drivetrain, but a frame that may need to be swapped long before the engine gets tired!

I'm speaking from experience... Good luck!

After the replies and research this might be the more viable option. After shipping and paperwork a repowered diesel might be the ticket. I would look to Canada, but are a little concerned with the frame issues. I've got a little time to play with as I want the vehicle in hand by next May. Starting my research now will hopefully help nail down a vehicle that can carry the family through retirement.

That said I have looked at a few places that will transplant diesel motors, but don't know build quality. Also, Cummins vs. Toyota? Anybody out there weigh in on this?

 

[owenjam]

Whats your budget, Cummins convert=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Toyota convert=$$$$$$ I will have a little less than $7000 in my FJ to BJ conversion when its all said and done, includes truck, engine, trans, transfer, shipping, parts, spare parts, everything even the CT 26 turbo and 13BT manifold for future install. Body and frame is a little rusty, but not beyond repair. 3B with H55F 5 speed. Not sure what the cost and availability of the H motors, but either should be far less than the cummins.

 

[Coyote808]

I like the idea of an all Toyota powered vehicle, but parts may be hard to find here in the States. A Cummins is a wonderful idea, but they're gigantic, heavy motors, and may be a bit loud for a family vehicle, especially if you want to please the missus. Isuzu motors might be an idea. They're equivalent in displacement to the Cummins 4BT (Isuzu 4BD1, 4BD2), and they come out of Isuzu N-series cab overs, which are everywhere here, don't know about up there, they might also be found in the Isuzu N-series knock offs that GM sells as Chevy's and GMC's. I believe there is a thread here that is dedicated to somebody doing a 4BD swap. Might want to check there for more info. There are hosts of other options including GM 6.2 and 6.5 V8 Diesels. Not the Oldsmobile 350 Diesel of old, they're old engines, sure, but the kinks have been worked out and parts are readily available from anywhere it seems from Napa to Gov't surplus. We still use these in all kinds of trucks in the Navy still, and they're great engines, if a bit on the thirsty side for a diesel. Also, you have the Isuzu designed and GM/Isuzu jointly produced Duramax 6.6 and the Powersmoke 7.3 from International. Options are out there, it's just what you want and how much fab work you can do etc.

 

[rchalmers3]

After the replies and research this might be the more viable option. After shipping and paperwork a repowered diesel might be the ticket. I would look to Canada, but are a little concerned with the frame issues. I've got a little time to play with as I want the vehicle in hand by next May. Starting my research now will hopefully help nail down a vehicle that can carry the family through retirement.

That said I have looked at a few places that will transplant diesel motors, but don't know build quality. Also, Cummins vs. Toyota? Anybody out there weigh in on this?

I fully endorse converting a clean, straight FJ60 to 2H diesel. A clean gasser at $3k plus a conversion at $6k makes a very nice all Toyota diesel cruiser for a great price.

Project working time is very short, due to the project being 90% nuts and bolts. Figure about a solid weekend. Theres a bit of torching and welding on the motor mount horns, but that's a few hours work.

I did a diesel conversion into a California FJ60 using a Canadian spec 2H. While everything turned out great, I wouldn't do it that way again for one reason: the 24v Canadian spec Toyotas are kinda funky electrically, with most devices running 24v, but some aspects of the lights and accessories running on 12v. I have yet to find a reliable wiring diagram that illustrates the split system!

SOR has 1/2 cut 2H motor "kits" going out at $3500 plus freight, and they are aussie 12v motors, so that may be your best bet.

I can't remember if you decided on 4 or 6 cylinders, but I'll restate my preference/suggestion: 6 man, 6!!

Later!

Rick

 

[Coyote808]

I have a few things I go by when picking a truck and finding an engine to match it.
If it's less than eight, it better be straight.
If it ain't a stick, it might be fer bricks.
Power in the rear, so you can haul your gear.

Now, those phrases might seem a bit silly, but they're my personal preference when I'm searching for a car/truck/SUV/whathavesyou.

Most importantly, if you can do it, a rust free desert truck and a 12v electrics 2H or 3B + Turbo/Intercooler swap in set up might actually be a really good deal if you're able to do most of the work yourself and have the skill to do, and it meets my three main requirements in a vehicle. I personally don't like engine swaps, but others love it. Although, I may consider it if I have a proper shop to do it in with at least one other assistant, besides that, I wouldn't consider a swap. But don't let that stop you, by all means. If you can, go for the swap. If wrenching or a massive budget to have somebody else do the wrenching, then try and find a decent truck with a diesel in it already.

BTW, I have a soft spot for four pots, but I love Inline sixs even more.

 

[SUUEEET]

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Project working time is very short, due to the project being 90% nuts and bolts. Figure about a solid weekend. Theres a bit of torching and welding on the motor mount horns, but that's a few hours work.

SOR has 1/2 cut 2H motor "kits" going out at $3500 plus freight, and they are aussie 12v motors, so that may be your best bet.

I can't remember if you decided on 4 or 6 cylinders, but I'll restate my preference/suggestion: 6 man, 6!!

Later!

Rick

Sounds like a great idea. I don't have an assistant, but being a teacher have the bonus of three months in the summer to dial it in. Sounds like it is plug and play. Probably would have to get someone to do the welding part. Is there a build up thread on yours?

 

[rchalmers3]

Sounds like a great idea. I don't have an assistant, but being a teacher have the bonus of three months in the summer to dial it in. Sounds like it is plug and play. Probably would have to get someone to do the welding part. Is there a build up thread on yours?

No thread, but it is on the web: Adventure Motors Costa Rica

I just re-read the post and got re-acquainted with the conversion. The truck has come a long way since then. I'm gathering materials for a ROTW post.

I definitely recommend an Aussie 12v motor from/with a manual trans. PM me for contact info of a fellow near Sydney who will treat you fair.

If you ever considered installing a 5 speed, this is THE time to source and change the tranny as well.

Cost of the 5 speed is about the same as buying the bell housing, flywheel and clutch to adapt the Canadian spec 2H to your 4 speed. As you probably are aware, all the Cannuk trucks were auto. And as my blog reading reminded me, they didn't come with A/C for some reason.... So go Auz and come out ahead with a 5 speed and A/C compressor and mount!

Rick

 

[mike]

12ht or 1hz, How much power does each of these produce? What model landcruisers and which production years had these motors? Thx

 

[Tapage]

12ht or 1hz, How much power does each of these produce? What model landcruisers and which production years had these motors? Thx

hello Mike ..

here you can found much info about both ..

not to be rude ..


12H-T and 1HZ are both a great engines .. I love the 12H-T DI and 135HP as same as the 1HZ NA .. means you can get much more powa at the end from the 1HZ ..

But if where me .. and thinking in a long lastiung engine .. I will source the 1HZ due it's a much more longer production engine ..

Still imported in some 78 series here in Panamá

 

[kim]

Cost of the 5 speed is about the same as buying the bell housing, flywheel and clutch to adapt the Canadian spec 2H to your 4 speed. As you probably are aware, all the Cannuk trucks were auto. And as my blog reading reminded me, they didn't come with A/C for some reason.... So go Auz and come out ahead with a 5 speed and A/C compressor and mount!

Rick

This isn't accurate. Canadian 2H's came with both autos and 5 speeds as well as with and without A/C. I have both.

 

[rchalmers3]

This isn't accurate. Canadian 2H's came with both autos and 5 speeds as well as with and without A/C. I have both.

Hehe, I never saw any!

But then I only know Can spec trucks through what comes up on Craigslist..... I guess those man trans units don't get sold often!

Congrats on your diesel 2H 24v man trans A/C rig!

Rick

 

[Coyote808]

As for power plant selections if you're going to do a swap, I would suggest something that would fit within that three month time period for your summer vacation. Probably something with minimal fab work, minimal investment would also be cool if you could, and maximum gain such as a 12H-T, 13B-T, 1HZ + turbo, 2H + turbo, 3B + turbo. As some here have stated, they have a preference for 6 Cyl. engines. I would try to find a half cut for whatever engine is within your budget and if it's an NA engine (1HZ, 2H, 3B) you could probably source a Turbo kit from AXT to go along with it depending on cost restraints. Hopefully this helps.

On a side note, if it were me, my dream 60 series would be a 12H-T powered Low roof truck with front and rear bench seats, RHD, with H55f and cable locked FF axles front and rear and split tail gate, twin round head lights. Ah, one can dream though, can't they?

Guess I'll live with my US market FJ60 for now though.

 

[SUUEEET]

On a side note, if it were me, my dream 60 series would be a 12H-T powered Low roof truck with front and rear bench seats, RHD, with H55f and cable locked FF axles front and rear and split tail gate, twin round head lights. Ah, one can dream though, can't they?

Guess I'll live with my US market FJ60 for now though.

Appreciate the suggestion. Your dream car sounds great. I'll keep it in mind as a possible build target. Keep the advice coming. I want to do this once and I want to do it right.

 

[Coyote808]

Specter Off-Road-Land Cruiser Parts - Page 035-Engines

There's a good starting place to source a half cut. They've got 2H, 12H-Thillbilly, and 1HZ in stock apparently. Almost everything you need. Still some fab work you'll need to do though, as they are RHD units. I'm sure a fellow mudder near you would be willing to help you out or there might even been somebody nearby to help you along with the swap if they've done one previously.

 

[John Galt]

On a side note, if it were me, my dream 60 series would be a 12H-T powered Low roof truck with front and rear bench seats, RHD, with H55f and cable locked FF axles front and rear and split tail gate, twin round head lights. .

Go for it:
Outback Imports - Used Toyota Landcruisers 4x4 Diesel for Sale

 

[SUUEEET]

Hunt Continues

Thanks for all the help guys. I am looking at AlaskanHerbs rig as a possibility. I have always had a sweet spot for Cummins Diesels. If the conversions weren't so expensive it would be an option. The hunt continues....

 

[air_wolf]

I have a 12H-T. great engine! my advice is to try to drive them, because there are some differences and you have to choose the one that suits you.
2H for example has less power than 12H-T but is less violent and will not break the adherence. 12H-T is an aggressive engine, it comes with 3.7 ratios in the diffs (highway ratios in my opinion) and is harder to handle it in extreme conditions.
if you'll go for 12H-T check the turbo for leaks. check the exhaust: better missing, instead of one that is too small (too small ones will break the turbo).
good luck!

 

[Tofudebeest]

As an owner of a 2H-powered 60 series (HJ60 cannibalized for transplant into a FJ62 HJ62), and as a friend of a fellow mudder who had a BJ60 (3B) transplanted into an FJ62, I think the average driver will prefer the 2H, and Mel Lowe (the BJ62 owner) would likely agree. It is quieter, parts are more available, and the 2H replaced the 3B in the vast majority of markets for a good reason. The 12HT, with its piston skirt cooling (not to mention turbo) is a better motor by all accounts, but unless you undertake a motor swap (not as straight-forward as many would have you believe (and I know from first hand experience) you will not be able to legally import an HJ61 (the only vehicle equipped with the 12HT) until about 2012. An Aussie spec HJ60 with respectably low miles and a truly rust free body and frame is not a particularly easy find, nor cheap. A good one will set you back $8-10K (USD), not including import costs, a cherry, $15K plus. I am sure David (Tencha) will agree, the bulk of Latin American ones are of typically poor condition and even worse maintenance, but if you find one, you'll get the benefit of Left Hand Drive. My RHD Aussie HJ60 was easy to get used to, but is not for everyone. Importing Canadian ones is not an option either, because they only got the HJ60 in 1986/1987, and are not yet 25 years old, thus not legal in the States. The BJ60 would be a fine choice, but you will not like it much naturally aspirated if you drive on freeways or in mountainous areas. Turbo it, and it will be better than a stock 2H. Turbo a 2H and you begain to approximate the HJ61, believed by many experts to be the pinnacle of Land Cruiser engineering, and possibly of all passenger 4 wheel drives. Good luck!

BTW, you are not looking at H and B motors, but only the 2H and 3B, if you are into 60 series. Those are the ONLY diesel motors they were factory equipped with anywhere.